PLD and how I learned to quit worrying about the bomb

During the Kings Lombari years - Lombari wanted to go get "WINNERS", and I specifically remember him wanting CHARACTER players. Why would Blake go after a player who is boo'd out of 2 arena's, regardless of alleged skill level. This was my biggest red flag at the trade, reading his past team's fans reactions. We're getting exactly what those people said we'd get. This obviously isn't all PLD's fault - it's Blake's for hand cufffing us regarding the salary cap, in varying ways, but if PLD was producing at some kind of level it'd look a lot nicer. This looks very bleak, especially if there IS some disconnect now between PLD and Todd and/or the room - that's his 3rd team this has happened on? The guy is a problem, regardless of production. No, he is not the cause of all our woe, but yes, he sucks out there.
 
I thought he ramped up his play for a few spurts against Buffalo last night. I’d say we’ve been seeing him at 40% on a nightly basis, and he ramped up to 65-70% last night. Now we’ve got to see if the guy can get anywhere close to 80-85% on a nightly basis
 
It's been a week and I'm back. The reprieve I gave LGK did not help the Kings. so I do apologize.

It will be very interesting when this is all said and done, if someone in the organization was questioning the trade by saying this is a huge risk, we are taking. They couldn't have all been in agreement?
 
ICE24 said:
It's been a week and I'm back. The reprieve I gave LGK did not help the Kings. so I do apologize.

It will be very interesting when this is all said and done, if someone in the organization was questioning the trade by saying this is a huge risk, we are taking. They couldn't have all been in agreement?
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I’ve tried my voodoo as well, to no avail. Ritual bullseye hat trick on the dart board before every game. It typically yields excellent results. Not sure what else I can do. Sorry gang..
 
Pevsfreedom said:
During the Kings Lombari years - Lombari wanted to go get "WINNERS", and I specifically remember him wanting CHARACTER players. Why would Blake go after a player who is boo'd out of 2 arena's, regardless of alleged skill level. This was my biggest red flag at the trade, reading his past team's fans reactions. We're getting exactly what those people said we'd get. This obviously isn't all PLD's fault - it's Blake's for hand cufffing us regarding the salary cap, in varying ways, but if PLD was producing at some kind of level it'd look a lot nicer. This looks very bleak, especially if there IS some disconnect now between PLD and Todd and/or the room - that's his 3rd team this has happened on? The guy is a problem, regardless of production. No, he is not the cause of all our woe, but yes, he sucks out there.
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Yes on every level. Can’t imagine Lombardi even considering a trade for someone with KNOWN CHARACTER ISSUES.
 
Illegal_Stick said:
Yes on every level. Can’t imagine Lombardi even considering a trade for someone with KNOWN CHARACTER ISSUES.
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You can't be serious. Some of the guys with known character issues who Dean picked up or held onto: Sean Avery, Ladislav Nagy, Dustin Penner, Daniel Carcillo and Jeff ****ing Carter. And that's not even mentioning the off the ice character stuff A LOT of the Lombardi pick ups had. Let's not try to rewrite history just to slam Blake.

Lombardi understood that he was never going to get 23 Kopitars and Dustin Browns on a roster. So he tried to find a balance. He preached team first but a lot of that was bluster. Really it was about winning first.
 
Statue4Deano said:
You can't be serious. Some of the guys with known character issues who Dean picked up or held onto: Sean Avery, Ladislav Nagy, Dustin Penner, Daniel Carcillo and Jeff ****ing Carter. And that's not even mentioning the off the ice character stuff A LOT of the Lombardi pick ups had. Let's not try to rewrite history just to slam Blake.

Lombardi understood that he was never going to get 23 Kopitars and Dustin Browns on a roster. So he tried to find a balance. He preached team first but a lot of that was bluster. Really it was about winning first.
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Completely serious. Avery? He let him get going and got rid of him. Didn’t want him back - even when Avery was texting him to save room for him. Nagy? Seriously? Carter - he personally knew him and believed there was no issue - same as Richards.

I’d argue further but then there’s Penner - you have me stuck there. Similar profile to PLD actually - underachiever, with elite potential. He didn’t give up as much - but it may be enough to make me retract my point lol
 
DarkLeftHand said:
Lombardi also noted that every army also needs a few criminals. Pretty sure those were his words, verbatim.
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That is verbatim, yes. His scouting dept. also said some of the guys they drafted wouldn’t pass a basic citizenry test (not verbatim but close). Cluneatic and Carcillo didn’t last long but he knew what he was going for with them too.

It wasn’t all about character with Lombardi, but culture. What’s painful about right now and Drew’s comments is that up through Christmas this team was looking like it had a real close culture again for the first time in damn near 10 years.
 
See I remembered the criminals thing, but I took that as guys who aren’t afraid to break the rules etc, Claude Lemieux as an example. But again, Penner makes it a fair point that he could very well have gambled on a PLD.
 
Illegal_Stick said:
See I remembered the criminals thing, but I took that as guys who aren’t afraid to break the rules etc, Claude Lemieux as an example. But again, Penner makes it a fair point that he could very well have gambled on a PLD.
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Pld is a much higher risk based on circumstances such as the 8.5 mil per yr salary. I guess that's pushing all in for Blake and luc. But this extremely handcuffed tmac. Then we r dealing from a position of weakness for out prospects.
 
kingnut said:
Pld is a much higher risk based on circumstances such as the 8.5 mil per yr salary. I guess that's pushing all in for Blake and luc. But this extremely handcuffed tmac. Then we r dealing from a position of weakness for out prospects.
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Hence I don't utterly blame TMAC but I do blame him for the obvious things. And at the end of the day, coach firings have worked plenty of times before. I don't think Edmonton is of this world right now with 15? in a row, but 2012 it worked out nice. But really, if more than half a team is asleep at the wheel and you can't move anyone - what other option is there besides moving the coach.
 
Pevsfreedom said:
Hence I don't utterly blame TMAC but I do blame him for the obvious things. And at the end of the day, coach firings have worked plenty of times before. I don't think Edmonton is of this world right now with 15? in a row, but 2012 it worked out nice. But really, if more than half a team is asleep at the wheel and you can't move anyone - what other option is there besides moving the coach.
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Really there are none. Sit PLD! Bring up Turcotte. Can it be any worse at the momemt?
 
xcheck said:
Ya know... Doobie played alright in Florida. He's a big body. Had a lot of control. Created a lot of chances. Hit a post. I'm sure he wasn't aiming at the post. Wasn't his fault that Fiala and Kempe took stupid penalties.

I guess I've stopped worrying about the bomb.
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I take it back. He sucks.
Put him in a body bag.
 
Pevsfreedom said:
Hence I don't utterly blame TMAC but I do blame him for the obvious things. And at the end of the day, coach firings have worked plenty of times before. I don't think Edmonton is of this world right now with 15? in a row, but 2012 it worked out nice. But really, if more than half a team is asleep at the wheel and you can't move anyone - what other option is there besides moving the coach.
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Sad, but true.

The fact is, at this level in ALL major pro sports, it's a result orientated league. And history has proven that if a team is in the midst of an epic collapse...and the Kings recent 'skid' definitely fits that definition...replacing the coach is modus operandi.

Why?

Because upper management has to do SOMETHING. Too much is at stake, not the least of which is the loyal fan base and keeping butts in the seats.

I do not like firing a coach mid-season, but what else can we do? Keep the status quo?

Now the question remains: How much longer will management endure this interminable crappola before finally making a change?
 
@rinkrat Where is the ebookie bet on Todd's fate in the short term?

Something like:
  • What will be TM's Fate?
    • #1 We win at least 2 of the next three games till the ASB and TM survives
    • #2 We win at least 2 of the next three games till the ASB and TM is shown the door
    • #3 We lose at least 2 of the next three games till the ASB and TM survives
    • #4 We lose at least 2 of the next three games till the ASB and TM is shown the door
    • #5 We win all three, TM survives, and everything is fine you bunch of crybabies!
 
Rog or Reg? said:
Sad, but true.

The fact is, at this level in ALL major pro sports, it's a result orientated league. And history has proven that if a team is in the midst of an epic collapse...and the Kings recent 'skid' definitely fits that definition...replacing the coach is modus operandi.

Why?

Because upper management has to do SOMETHING. Too much is at stake, not the least of which is the loyal fan base and keeping butts in the seats.

I do not like firing a coach mid-season, but what else can we do? Keep the status quo?

Now the question remains: How much longer will management endure this interminable crappola before finally making a change?
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The conundrum for management regarding Tmac is that his team was arguably the best in the NHL for 30 games before all this craziness. It's not like Edmonton's sitch were the team comes out of the gate like a wet fart and then firing the coach is an easy call. I wouldn't want to be in Blake's shoes....even though he may have earned it by trading for PLD...who makes me angry on a shift by shift basis. Even when he scores its annoying. lol. Point is I don't see Todd going anywhere until/if the Kings miss the playoffs.
 
Johnnysuede71 said:
The conundrum for management regarding Tmac is that his team was arguably the best in the NHL for 30 games before all this craziness. It's not like Edmonton's sitch were the team comes out of the gate like a wet fart and then firing the coach is an easy call. I wouldn't want to be in Blake's shoes....even though he may have earned it by trading for PLD...who makes me angry on a shift by shift basis. Even when he scores its annoying. lol. Point is I don't see Todd going anywhere until/if the Kings miss the playoffs.
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The Kings looked like world beaters for the first 30. I don't know if firing TMac is the right move based upon what the team did and can do. And as terrible as the Kings have looked, there aren't too many teams who can catch them. Calgary? Seattle? Nashville? St Louis? Arizona? It has to be 2 of those 5. Like Drew said, if the Kings play .500 hockey, then they probably stay ahead of at least 4 of 5.

I do think some of the complaints were illustrative. The 1-3-1 tends to grind the game down to low scoring and counterattacks. Maybe more and more of the Kings players are getting sick of it and we're seeing that on the ice.
 
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