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NastiMarvasti
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That happened to me, JD, KQ, and Lappy before the first Expendables. Brutal.
That happened to me, JD, KQ, and Lappy before the first Expendables. Brutal.
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nosoupforyou
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that was the most disappointing part of the movie for me. The groundwork was laid for a potentially rich emotional story, and there were plenty of scenes set up for emotional payoff. The acting (and/or the pace of the movie) didn't deliver or allow for it. I wanted to connect with the characters, but it just didn't work for me. And as crazy as the pace of Star Trek was, I thought the connection/acting between the characters was fantastic.
The movie is a spectacle though, and it was enjoyable as a movie to watch, and you definitely want to see it in the theater.
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NastiMarvasti
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And to be clear, I don't hate the movie. I'm just upset that they had the chance to make a really good Superman movie and they made a Transformers-like non-stop action movie which will be forgotten in history. And why does a movie like this feel so claustrophobic and small rather than a big epic? The 1978 film, although made before the CGI era, felt much grander.
jerseydevil
I'llPutPenniesOnYourEyes
Not going to get into specifics...but for the love of God...why am I forced to defend a far superior(in terms of translating the spirit of the comics) movie about Superman, vs the juggernaut Batman saga. I always LOVED Batman and hated Superman. Based on movies alone, SUPERMAN wins. Don't get lost in that battle though. I honestly think your prejudice Nasti colored your opinion. I went into All three Batman movies with an open mind. And I was able to take away some positives. Your abject hatred of Man of Steel is unfathomable. This, ladies and gentlemen, is a comic book movie. Superman is in the WHOLE movie. And it's glorious. Once again I warn...some of the above discussion is getting too spoilery. The bare opinions until next Saturday. Be kind to your fellow LGK'rs.
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Ranma
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I generally trust Kevin Smith's opinions on all things nerd and geek but I think his opinion is colored a little by corporate shilling:
By the way, I don't buy his shaving theory either. The yellow sun affects the molecular structure of Kal-El's biology but who's to say it does the same thing to his spaceship or the materials it's made of? Heck, the movie itself supports my notion.
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Shaddy
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I have to say I was not disappointed by this movie. I did feel it was sort of rushed and there were some flashbacks that should have not been shown, and the fact that they focused ALOT on lois lane.
But other than that I like how they gave background on Krytpon and the fight scenes were badass. I think this was much better than iron man 3.
But other than that I like how they gave background on Krytpon and the fight scenes were badass. I think this was much better than iron man 3.
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Dr. Naysay
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Im so pissed i couldnt watch it this morning!!!!!!
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Ranma
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Man of Steel letdown
It's been a bit of a rollercoaster for me with regards to expectations and opinion on this movie. I started out skeptical when initial discussions had Warner Bros. wanting to make a Superman movie in the same dark, gritty fashion as their Batman trilogy. Then I became cautiously optimistic once reports had Nolan coming up with a take he was jazzed about only to be disappointed when Snyder was chosen as the director. The first few teasers and trailers didn't do much to excite me at all and did more to sway me against seeing the film. However, the third trailer--which I described as "majestically epic" earlier in this very thread--got me totally onboard and really looking forward to it.
After seeing the film at the midnight showing Thursday night, I have to say I'm disappointed, let down, and actually torn whether to like this movie or not. MoS reminds me a bit of the Bond series' "Quantum of Solace" in how there were elements within the film for it to be great only to have execution fall short in delivery of the final product.
I like the cast and thought the performances were great all around given what it had to work with. I also thought the treatment and story was fine as well but the direction left a lot to be desired in the second half, particularly with respect to the action sequences. I believe Spill.com described the action scenes as "excessive spectacle", which I think is an apt term. The movie aims to inspire and impress with visuals, but I feel pursuit of the latter came at the expense of the former. The motivations of the characters made sense and so did the action scenes in the sense of how super-powered beings would exploit such abilities in addition to the resulting collateral damage. However, while such a practical and logical approach may be technically correct, it lacked heart onscreen, which is a wide criticism of this movie.
I'm not saying Zack Snyder is Michael Bay in that he's become a parody of himself, but it does seem like he can't seem to expand beyond certain styles. However, whereas Bay is coasting on his abilities, I think Snyder is trying to improve and has shown more versatility. Having said that, the special effects--while technically done well, for the most part--did have lapses that took me out of the moment during a couple instances. A scene in the trailers with fire shown looked totally fake yet wasn't improved upon in the final product. Even during the extended fight scene, there were moments throughout that had me thinking they could have technically improved upon. Personally, I would have liked to have seen how J.J. Abrams would have handled Nolan & Goyer's script and it's no coincidence that I think "Star Trek: Into Darkness" is the best action movie of the summer, plot holes and all.
I liked the scenes of Clark growing up as they were the most heartfelt but the movie missed on quite a few marks. The action did more to numb than awe. I left the theater more shell-shocked than overwhelmed and it wasn't because I was groggy from staying up late to attend the midnight showing. The inconsistent concern for human life throughout the movie just didn't jive. This film is lacking in what its predecessors and other films were able to accomplish:
It's been a bit of a rollercoaster for me with regards to expectations and opinion on this movie. I started out skeptical when initial discussions had Warner Bros. wanting to make a Superman movie in the same dark, gritty fashion as their Batman trilogy. Then I became cautiously optimistic once reports had Nolan coming up with a take he was jazzed about only to be disappointed when Snyder was chosen as the director. The first few teasers and trailers didn't do much to excite me at all and did more to sway me against seeing the film. However, the third trailer--which I described as "majestically epic" earlier in this very thread--got me totally onboard and really looking forward to it.
After seeing the film at the midnight showing Thursday night, I have to say I'm disappointed, let down, and actually torn whether to like this movie or not. MoS reminds me a bit of the Bond series' "Quantum of Solace" in how there were elements within the film for it to be great only to have execution fall short in delivery of the final product.
I like the cast and thought the performances were great all around given what it had to work with. I also thought the treatment and story was fine as well but the direction left a lot to be desired in the second half, particularly with respect to the action sequences. I believe Spill.com described the action scenes as "excessive spectacle", which I think is an apt term. The movie aims to inspire and impress with visuals, but I feel pursuit of the latter came at the expense of the former. The motivations of the characters made sense and so did the action scenes in the sense of how super-powered beings would exploit such abilities in addition to the resulting collateral damage. However, while such a practical and logical approach may be technically correct, it lacked heart onscreen, which is a wide criticism of this movie.
I'm not saying Zack Snyder is Michael Bay in that he's become a parody of himself, but it does seem like he can't seem to expand beyond certain styles. However, whereas Bay is coasting on his abilities, I think Snyder is trying to improve and has shown more versatility. Having said that, the special effects--while technically done well, for the most part--did have lapses that took me out of the moment during a couple instances. A scene in the trailers with fire shown looked totally fake yet wasn't improved upon in the final product. Even during the extended fight scene, there were moments throughout that had me thinking they could have technically improved upon. Personally, I would have liked to have seen how J.J. Abrams would have handled Nolan & Goyer's script and it's no coincidence that I think "Star Trek: Into Darkness" is the best action movie of the summer, plot holes and all.
I liked the scenes of Clark growing up as they were the most heartfelt but the movie missed on quite a few marks. The action did more to numb than awe. I left the theater more shell-shocked than overwhelmed and it wasn't because I was groggy from staying up late to attend the midnight showing. The inconsistent concern for human life throughout the movie just didn't jive. This film is lacking in what its predecessors and other films were able to accomplish:
- Cavill, like Routh, was a capable Clark/Superman but neither had the charm and magic of Christopher Reeve
- for all the action scenes incorporated in this film, none were as impressive as the plane scene in "Superman Returns"
- the stadium/world cheering scene also in "Superman Returns" was more uplifting than anything found in this movie
- the Metropolis fight scene in "Superman 2" was more dramatic and impactful than the one in MoS despite the disparity in special effects technique
- the first flight scene was not nearly as engaging as the one in the first Iron Man film
- while this may be unfair, but was there any moment that even came close to the helicopter scene in the original "Superman" movie?
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Ranma
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What Mark Waid thinks...
In case anyone is curious, here is what former Superman writer, Mark Waid, thinks in a spoilerish review, but I'll quote a non-spoilerish snippet:
Mark Waid, ThrillBent.com (6/14/13)
In case anyone is curious, here is what former Superman writer, Mark Waid, thinks in a spoilerish review, but I'll quote a non-spoilerish snippet:
Mark Waid, ThrillBent.com (6/14/13)
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NastiMarvasti
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Dude, I started this thread. To say I was prejudiced against it is just not true. I was really, really wanting to like it especially considering I grew up on the first two Reeve movies and still love them today. I was more than ready for Snyder to prove me wrong. Hell this movie even had problems with blocking. And I said before, I didn't hate it. But it's not a good movie. If you like non stop action from start to finish, maybe this movie is for you.
Superman being in the whole movie ISN'T a good thing. This is an origin story. Two of the most widely respected origin stories in comics were Superman: The Movie and Batman Begins. You don't see Superman or Batman for at least the first hour in each. And the first hour isn't bombarded with action but rather dialogue and actual story. Otherwise I wouldn't give two s***s about the hero when he's in trouble. Now maybe you didn't like those movies, but I think if you ask most people, they'd say that THOSE are comic book movies. Not this mess.
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NastiMarvasti
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I would like this post if I wasn't using the damn app on my phone. Amazing how an action sequence from over 30 years ago can be more exciting and emotional than the same one made today. Remember when Supes cared for the safety of others?
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NastiMarvasti
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You better agree with me.
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Dr. Naysay
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I shall do my best.
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jom
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Wow...I don't even remotely agree with this. I think the recent Batman movies are the greatest of the genre...at least 1 and 2 were (I didn't see 3). Hell, I don't even think it's even a close race.
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Kingsqueen
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Dr. Naysay
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Turns out I do. 100%.
Nothing to hate in this movie. Nothing really to love either. Maybe a moment here or there... but really... this is a pretty boring forgettable movie with no stakes and tons of awesome special effects.
*yawn*
jerseydevil
I'llPutPenniesOnYourEyes
I am disappointed in the lot of you. I am going to save any pointed arguments(unlike some) until next Saturday so as not to spoil...
Maybe Snyder WAS the wrong director for this. Simply because it's too easy to let feelings towards him color your opinions(and yes Nasti...I honestly think you are incapable of enjoying anything with his name attached). The complaints of boring and how the fight sequences had little merit confound me. First, if this movie had one major flaw it is that they tried to do TOO much as far as story instead of concentrating on a few storylines. Well, ambition doesn't take points off as far as I am concerned. And, as I have said earlier I LOVE that Superman is in the whole movie. They manage to do some clever things with preconceived aspects of Supes story that I will not discuss till next weekend. The thing that bristles the most...the action sequences were among some of the most impressive I have ever seen. The physics of how Superman fights were established here and simply were stunning. There are 3 seperate action setpieces that come in a row. Maybe they needed to break them up a bit more but I think each one was distinct and had valid reasons to be in the movie. And joyless????? Why because Clark Kent didn't go all Jimmy Stewart chasing after 'miss Lane'? Bah. You guys really WANT the cheesy bright blue schoolboy instead of a smart and RELEVANT Superman movie. I almost don't even feel like arguing about it simply because I don't understand your viewpoints. I find it difficult and pointless to argue when I am essentially closed to accepting your complaints. So yeah, this may be it for me. Discuss it amongst yourselves if you want.
Maybe Snyder WAS the wrong director for this. Simply because it's too easy to let feelings towards him color your opinions(and yes Nasti...I honestly think you are incapable of enjoying anything with his name attached). The complaints of boring and how the fight sequences had little merit confound me. First, if this movie had one major flaw it is that they tried to do TOO much as far as story instead of concentrating on a few storylines. Well, ambition doesn't take points off as far as I am concerned. And, as I have said earlier I LOVE that Superman is in the whole movie. They manage to do some clever things with preconceived aspects of Supes story that I will not discuss till next weekend. The thing that bristles the most...the action sequences were among some of the most impressive I have ever seen. The physics of how Superman fights were established here and simply were stunning. There are 3 seperate action setpieces that come in a row. Maybe they needed to break them up a bit more but I think each one was distinct and had valid reasons to be in the movie. And joyless????? Why because Clark Kent didn't go all Jimmy Stewart chasing after 'miss Lane'? Bah. You guys really WANT the cheesy bright blue schoolboy instead of a smart and RELEVANT Superman movie. I almost don't even feel like arguing about it simply because I don't understand your viewpoints. I find it difficult and pointless to argue when I am essentially closed to accepting your complaints. So yeah, this may be it for me. Discuss it amongst yourselves if you want.
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roenick
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Completely agree with JD that maybe they tried to do too much. Loved Cavill. Love that they tried to take the Superman saga seriously with the obvious issues that come with a space alien and superpowers in present day. I will lay low until next weekend but I need to see again to fully take it all in again.
Say what you want about Snyder but he had Costner acting like he hasn't in years - Kevin Costner was one of the best parts of this movie and one of my only complaints about the movie is that I could've used more Jonathon Kent.
Say what you want about Snyder but he had Costner acting like he hasn't in years - Kevin Costner was one of the best parts of this movie and one of my only complaints about the movie is that I could've used more Jonathon Kent.
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chaingunsofdoom
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Saw it yesterday and loved MoS. Loved the sci-fi/Kypton stuff, which we'd only seen in the comics. When's the spoilery embargo over? This upcoming Friday?
jerseydevil
I'llPutPenniesOnYourEyes
Saturday officially we can start discussing specifics.
