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Kirby's passing happened way before Twitter and what have you, so I found out about it when it was announced before an episode of the X-men: The Animated Series.
That seems like ages ago.

Oh, and thanks for Darkseid, Mr. Kirby! :D


Captain America, X-Men, Iron Man, the Avengers ? Jack Kirby, king of comics

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https://www.theguardian.com/books/2...on-man-the-avengers-jack-kirby-king-of-comics


Jack Kirby at 100: How fans can celebrate the man on the ?Mount Rushmore? of comics today

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...he-man-on-the-mount-rushmore-of-comics-today/


JACK KIRBY AT 100: 7 COMICS LEGENDS PAY TRIBUTE TO THE KING

http://www.syfy.com/syfywire/jack-kirby-at-100-7-comics-legends-pay-tribute-to-the-king
 
UPDATED: Ed Skrein Has Stepped Down From ‘Hellboy’ After Whitewashing Complaints
http://uproxx.com/hitfix/hellboy-reboot-casting-whitewashing/

Ok. I know. Most of you will want to stop reading now. But, we are supposed to accept when a character's comic book race is changed in the interest of diversity. As long as you aren't changing it to cast a caucasian actor. Seems a little 'have your cake and eat it too' doesn't it? If we are supposed to be colorblind, why the immediate 'WHITEWASHING' accusations when the shoe is on the other foot so to speak? Once again, I just don't think you can have true diversity if you are excluding an element from the equation. It's not about balancing the scales. Or is it?
 
No honestly though, what is it with Hollywood and just not casting Asians. Are they too exotic or something? rolleyes:

I am not gonna get all angry about it, but it just seems weird to me.
 
No honestly though, what is it with Hollywood and just not casting Asians. Are they too exotic or something? rolleyes:

I am not gonna get all angry about it, but it just seems weird to me.

I don't care either way about the actor or character. Overall, I just think it's hypocritical. You want to open it up, fine. But you can't go running home to mommy when the reverse happens. Hollywood wants to cast more Asian actors, since Chinese box office can make or break a flick, hell, even the Mummy made it to 400 million strictly with international box office. Maybe the producers of Hellboy wanted that ACTOR for that CHARACTER. Now they HAVE TO cast an Asian actor. Regardless of the story they want to tell. It's all a little frustrating.
 
I don't care either way about the actor or character. Overall, I just think it's hypocritical. You want to open it up, fine. But you can't go running home to mommy when the reverse happens. Hollywood wants to cast more Asian actors, since Chinese box office can make or break a flick, hell, even the Mummy made it to 400 million strictly with international box office. Maybe the producers of Hellboy wanted that ACTOR for that CHARACTER. Now they HAVE TO cast an Asian actor.** Regardless of the story they want to tell. It's all a little frustrating.

Your underlying logic of applying color/gender blindness is sound and makes sense.

In a perfect "all things being equal" scenario.

But when you look at representation of non-white, and/or non-male principal characters among most forms of media and entertainment, you will either recognize that the playing field is not equal, or you won't. If you believe that the playing field is equal, then your position is understandable, but possibly lamentable. If, however, you recognize that the field is not equal, then you simply cannot expect to apply your logic and come to a result where the field evens itself. Especially when you consider the systemic factors* that have created the uneven field in the first place.

In order to create the even field, where your logic can be properly applied, you must, for a time, re-work the system and apply un-equal forces opposite the current system in order to create a better balance.

So, you can change Valkyrie in the Thor movie to a woman of color because 9/10ths of the other principle actors remain Caucasian. Whereas, in this case, changing an Asian character to a Caucasian actor most likely eliminates the ONE Asian character from the principle cast. Or, at the very least, that one character is most likely a significant percentage of Asian characters in the movie. In losing this one Caucasian actor, though, the skin color will still most likely be more than amply represented.










* one of these factors in general has to do with investment safety, which is why producers may cast Emma Stone as a half-Asian woman or Scarlett Johannson in a remake of an anime film.
** Side note: This seems to imply that you feel that there may be no Asian ACTORS who might be able to play that CHARACTER, which may be perceived to be another one of those slippery slopes I feel you tend to frequently stand near.
 
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Your underlying logic of applying color/gender blindness is sound and makes sense.

In a perfect "all things being equal" scenario.

But when you look at representation of non-white, and/or non-male principal characters among most forms of media and entertainment, you will either recognize that the playing field is not equal, or you won't. If you believe that the playing field is equal, then your position is understandable, but possibly lamentable. If, however, you recognize that the field is not equal, then you simply cannot expect to apply your logic and come to a result where the field evens itself. Especially when you consider the systemic factors* that have created the uneven field in the first place.

In order to create the even field, where your logic can be properly applied, you must, for a time, re-work the system and apply un-equal forces opposite the current system in order to create a better balance.

So, you can change Valkyrie in the Thor movie to a woman of color because 9/10ths of the other principle actors remain Caucasian. Whereas, in this case, changing an Asian character to a Caucasian actor most likely eliminates the ONE Asian character from the principle cast. Or, at the very least, that one character is most likely a significant percentage of Asian characters in the movie. In losing this one Caucasian actor, though, the skin color will still most likely be more than amply represented.










* one of these factors in general has to do with investment safety, which is why producers may cast Emma Stone as a half-Asian woman or Scarlett Johannson in a remake of an anime film.
** Side note: This seems to imply that you feel that there may be no Asian ACTORS who might be able to play that CHARACTER, which may be perceived to be another one of those slippery slopes I feel you tend to frequently stand near.

Ugh. Ok. In regards to your side note...I only stress that they HAVE to hire an asian actor is BECAUSE society demands it. Not because there is no one capable. It's a dangerous line. It's one thing to complain about it in a business where the playing field should be equal. But, the ARTS are another medium entirely and I do not think you can apply these strict hiring guidelines. Do you think that movie studios continue to cast Tom Cruise because he is a better actor than anyone else? No...it's because he tends to put asses in seats. And that's the bottom line here. A company that produces widgets...nobody gives a rats ass who made em. But studios, moreso than creating art, being 'fair' and representative of all, are concerned primarily with making money. I'm not saying I agree with it. It just is what it is. When films with primarily 'OTHER than white folks'(and I use this term solely in the interest of the argument, I don't consider myself 'WHITE' by any stretch. My ancestors were mostly dark/swarthy people and I tend to favor em) can bank ridiculous amounts of money like 99% of your summer tentpoles, well that is when the playing field will equal. You can't force studios to bankroll potentially disastrous results until it happens. You addressed the Emma Stone thing. There was so much backlash over that. And it helped(along with poor reviews) to sink that flick. What about Dark Tower? Idris Elba is a damned fine actor. IN A LEAD. Did you go see it? I bet not. And why, cause it looked like ass. But if you truly support change, you should have supported that movie regardless. Idris Elba has had the lead in a few films. You see any of em? That Gal movie with Tiffany Haddish and others made a ton of dough. You will see some studios try to capitalize on that...but it was treated like an astronaut unicorn. Nobody believed it could be that successful. Sure, there is a color bias in the arts. And a sexual preference bias. And a whole lot of other biases. The biggest motivator of all of these is MONEY. You can't force change. Holding a studios feet over the fire EVERY time they cast someone is not going to 'level the playing field'. Vote with your wallet. The Hellboy character in question is an Asian American. So why can't an American play that(actually think Skrein is a Brit)? I don't know that he has no Pacific Islander in his lineage. The movie is going to have a Blood Queen, a Horned Devil, an Underwater Man...it's not like this is Gone with the Wind and they are casting all the parts with white actors. It's all just so silly. And I hate that folks like you assume the worst about me because I occasionally have these little tirades. I didn't march in Charlottesville. I would have been on the other side. Large groups of white folks terrify me. But this insistence that anything other than the market itself should dictate terms is frightening to me. Talk about INSERT RACE HERE privilege.

I also think that in the case of Thor:Ragnarok, and the casting of Valkyrie, it seems a little insulting that minorities should be appeased by the concession. It all feels kinda 'token'. Not saying she isn't a good actress, because she is. Perfectly capable and I look forward to seeing the movie. But color casting a supporting character isn't really change, is it? And now you have instances like what HBO is dealing with where GoT producers want to produce a show where the Civil War didn't quite turn out the same way. And you get minority groups saying that isn't their story to tell. That's what I'm on about mostly. The double standard. We really have to stop this hyperfocus on race. For every _____ lives matter, you alienate someone else. And that alienation is what has made the unthinkable possible in today's headlines.

I look forward to your reply.
 
This reminds a bit from the dustup in the anime boards over the casting on Scarlett Johansson for the role of Motoko Kusanagi in the live action Ghost in the Shell.

I saw the movie , enjoyed it quite well even if it did make a few background storyline changes. She played the part quite well.

I kinda think that if there had not been the "hoopla" over her casting last year , this original casting for the new Hellboy movie might not have even been noticed or at least now enough to make the actor back out of the role.
 
This reminds a bit from the dustup in the anime boards over the casting on Scarlett Johansson for the role of Motoko Kusanagi in the live action Ghost in the Shell.

I saw the movie , enjoyed it quite well even if it did make a few background storyline changes. She played the part quite well.

I kinda think that if there had not been the "hoopla" over her casting last year , this original casting for the new Hellboy movie might not have even been noticed or at least now enough to make the actor back out of the role.


See, and the fact that Skrein felt enough pressure to step away is the kind of emotional blackmail we are seeing. And it's ok. Most would argue it's fair to punish him. Suppose the backlash had been the same for Tessa Thompson or Idris Elba who is also in Thor. If they had stepped down due to pressure...that would have been wrong and a national tragedy as well as an indictment of society in general. That's what I mean by hypocrisy. If you don't like the casting choice...don't go see it. VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET. But to harangue a studio about a movie you may not even plan on seeing...I just don't get it. There was a LOT of backlash when Elba was cast as the Gunslinger in Dark Tower. Studio went ahead with it anyway and it's hard to tell if that had any detrimental effect on the box office because there were SO MANY other things wrong with the movie.

See Darby, that's what I get hung up on. Skrein...a working actor, who is just trying to get a paycheck, has to vacate a job because of his nationality/skin color. How is that ok? Don't look at it as, well...he's white, so it's ok...them whites have had it too good for too long. Don't get hung up on the easy out. Yes, I realize some will point out that I decry when a character's race is changed, Nick Fury for example. But it's not because I don't like Sam L., it's because I grew up with cigar chompin Nick Fury and that's what I want to see. It's a fine line and easy to hang the term hypocrisy on I suppose...but I would argue against it. I had no problem with Elba as the Gunslinger. I had no real visualization of the character, despite being a huge fan of the books. Not sure if I am arguing my case well...but it's all I have.
 
Will DC?s Live-Action Titans Star Robin or Nightwing?

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Personally, I would go with Nightwing. ;)

I associate him basically with The Teen Titans so I hope that this article's prediction is wrong. :P
 
A ?Sheena: Queen Of The Jungle? Film Is In The Works, But Can One Work Today?
http://uproxx.com/hitfix/sheena-queen-of-the-jungle-film/

Haha. And just like that I got some, um, pleasant, flashbacks. :eyebrows:

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I saw that on cable and it was edited so I didn't get to see all the good stuff, haha, but I felt guilty about watching it. Not guilty enough to turn off the telly 'cause a young guy has to learn about Sheena eventually. :P
 
Jeff Bezos Mandates Programming Shift at Amazon Studios (EXCLUSIVE)
http://variety.com/2017/tv/news/amazon-studios-jeff-bezos-roy-price-zelda-1202552532/

On Friday, Amazon confirmed five new projects — series greenlights for a period drama from Paul Attanasio and Wong Kar-wai and a comedy starring Fred Armisen and Maya Rudolph; two comedy pilots; and a Seth Rogen-produced comic book adaptation eyed as a straight-to-series order — that reflect the drive to find shows that deliver sizzle in the water-cooler environs of social media and can travel around the world.

in another article I read that it was another Garth Ennis adaptation

THE BOYS??????????????????????

And...

Seth Rogen & Evan Goldberg To Develop Garth Ennis’ The Boys For Amazon
https://www.bleedingcool.com/2017/0...g-to-develop-garth-ennis-the-boys-for-amazon/
 
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