The Pacific Division Thread

The Power of Perry Compels Us… to the Finals!
*chuckling* You do know which movie you're referencing right? With that said, according to you, the Kings (facilitated by Hiller) will sleepwalk to the playoffs and Spiderwalk through the western conference finals?
Andrew Scott GIF by BBC Three

Further, so in 2023 Corey did not go to rehab he was...exorcised? yes? Sounds like something Bettman would cover up. Yakuza gambling, exorcisms, geez Gary, we want the truth!
 
I don’t disagree with any of this on Hiller. The only pleasant surprise with him is that he actually has given Clarke more ice time. Otherwise he’s coaching like an idiot.

I think the roster is better than you give it credit for. And it absolutely should have better offensive output.

I liked some of their wins on this roadtrip. I like how they do have the ability to come back. I want them to make the playoffs of course and do think depending on who they face they could win a round. Maybe even two. No one is beating COL unless they get a bad injury bug down the stretch.
I agree with you that it is not a "bad" roster and with a hot streak or two is one able to go beyond the 1st round of the playoffs. Is it the best out there? Definitely no, but it is above average.

Also as much as a dislike Hiller being our Head Coach, I've got to give him credit that the Kings have been able to pretty consistently facilitate comeback in the final minute of the 3rd, when down a goal, so far this season. That speaks well of both the roster (including their desire to win) and the coaching.

My problem with this team from day 1 of the season has always been about the process. They just don’t do things that are consistent with winning a Cup.

I keep hearing/seeing social media accounts and podcasters focus on the results (point total) and ask “isn’t winning all that matters?” No, actually, it isn’t. Unless they way they’re winning is repeatable the results are fools gold.

The Kings under Jim Hiller play stupid, simplistic, losing hockey. It isn’t Hiller’s fault that the roster is built poorly. It is Hiller’s fault that the team doesn’t generate offense. It is Hiller’s fault the team doesn’t score on the PP. It is Hiller’s fault that bad defensemen are playing too many minutes a night.

Until these underlying issues are addressed the Kings have a very low ceiling that does reach Stanley Cup Finals.

Spot on, Hiller really has the team playing checkers out there. I'm happy to see the discipline the players have with sticking to the system increasing as the season has progressed, but the system itself isn't one that has a high probability of bringing us to the SC Finals, let alone helping us win the Cup. The PP being so dismal is almost criminal, as is several players TOI.
 
*chuckling* You do know which movie you're referencing right? With that said, according to you, the Kings (facilitated by Hiller) will sleepwalk to the playoffs and Spiderwalk through the western conference finals?
Andrew Scott GIF by BBC Three

Further, so in 2023 Corey did not go to rehab he was...exorcised? yes? Sounds like something Bettman would cover up. Yakuza gambling, exorcisms, geez Gary, we want the truth!
Was that how his excusal from the Blackhawks was billed? As a stint in a substance rehabilitation program? I thought it was because he banged Connor Bedard‘s mom.. *teehee*
 
*chuckling* You do know which movie you're referencing right? With that said, according to you, the Kings (facilitated by Hiller) will sleepwalk to the playoffs and Spiderwalk through the western conference finals?
Andrew Scott GIF by BBC Three

Further, so in 2023 Corey did not go to rehab he was...exorcised? yes? Sounds like something Bettman would cover up. Yakuza gambling, exorcisms, geez Gary, we want the truth!
What is this? An Exorcist/Fleabag crossover? To be fair, demonic possession could explain a lot of Fleabag.
 
Kings have a .700 points percentage in their last 15 games. Can’t ask for better than that, but the it’s unsustainable for not only them but almost every team.

However, to get to 100 points they need to play their remaining 61 games at .615 points percentage. That’s standard pace for a solid playoff team and doable.

Question is whether this absolute mess of teams is going to separate and when.
Right now we have 26 points with 60 games remaining. That's 59.09% & a 97 points pace. Which should be enough to make the playoffs but probably not as a higher seed.And with all the extra points from so many overtimes, we don't know how many points will it take to qualify in the West.
 
It helps when you aren't emotionally attached to the teams. In reality, Dostal has a .0880% and Schmid is 0.885%sv. Not exactly lights out goaltending.

If this was Kuemper we'd all be calling for Copper!
 
Ducks are a good combination of kids and vets. That team could stay up near the top of the standings well into the season. Kings are gonna need a workable strategy to slow that train down next week. Ducks are playing with a lot of confidence and they have a sh*t load of talent. They need to be taken seriously again.
 
Ducks are a good combination of kids and vets. That team could stay up near the top of the standings well into the season. Kings are gonna need a workable strategy to slow that train down next week. Ducks are playing with a lot of confidence and they have a sh*t load of talent. They need to be taken seriously again.
Ducks have a much better coach than we do as well.
 
What is this? An Exorcist/Fleabag crossover? To be fair, demonic possession could explain a lot of Fleabag.
Hmm, not quite, just knew I wanted to use a priest in gif form but could only think of one, Andrew Scott from Fleabag. Win-win. It's Andrew freaking Scott, from FLEABAG!!!

Now if we can just get someone to score on the 3 on 3, because that is actually killing us.

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If Perry becomes that guy I will buy duck hearts at the market and make a duck heart taco for consumption to exorcise these (former duck) hatred demons.

Your move Satan. OT goals for that (Connor) mother humper. And make them savage!
 
Ducks have a much better coach than we do as well.
This X100. Ducks have talent and a good mix of vets and high potential younger players, as others have mentioned, but the Kings talent is on par (with a projected drop off coming next season for us while theirs projects to take a step forward pending trades, signings etc). The coaching is making up the majority of the difference.

Let's also not forget how badly the Ducks got fleeced on the Zegras trade. Overall their front office is operating a step above than ours currently, but it still is not elite. Since 2019 the Ducks have done a good job hitting on their 1st round picks, but beyond that have very little to write home about. 2014 was their last draft that they really hit with multiple picks (bearing in mind the recent years as still a bit TBD).
 
This X100. Ducks have talent and a good mix of vets and high potential younger players, as others have mentioned, but the Kings talent is on par (with a projected drop off coming next season for us while theirs projects to take a step forward pending trades, signings etc). The coaching is making up the majority of the difference.

Let's also not forget how badly the Ducks got fleeced on the Zegras trade. Overall their front office is operating a step above than ours currently, but it still is not elite. Since 2019 the Ducks have done a good job hitting on their 1st round picks, but beyond that have very little to write home about. 2014 was their last draft that they really hit with multiple picks (bearing in mind the recent years as still a bit TBD).

That's why it's pointless to bank on drafting your way to greatness. You *need* to poach young talent from other teams for cheap due to various situations (redundancy or needing a change of scenery), you *need* to make shrewd UFA moves.

Superstar top draft picks and UFA signings sure help, but you simply can't rely on that as there's too much variance involved when it comes to drafting and the Kings simply can't attract elite UFAs.

And the Kings actually do quite well in the UFA market, all things considered, when it comes to veteran role players (in recent years that would be Foegele, Armia, Edmundson, Perry, TBD when it comes to Dumoulin and Ceci, but so far not as terrible as we feared, especially Dumoulin). They also traded for a few quality change-of-scenery players (Kuemper, Kuzmenko (for a while)).

What this team lacked in the recent years especially is the young talent poaching. There's a lack of trades for young prospects as well as lack of young player UFA signings. The last trade was Portillo I think? March of 2023. Ontario isn't exactly seeping with talent. There are quite a few prospects that were fairly highly touted that didn't pan out and there wasn't enough influx of new young players in order to keep the competition high and increase chances of someone knocking on the door of the big club. The Reign isn't a bad performing AHL team, but it's full of vets that are career AHLers. Good ones, but AHLers and nothing more.


On the contrary actually, the Kings were on the receiving end of said poaching (Spence, to an extent Durzi, in a way also Bjornfot and there may be more examples). Sure, it would be nice to sign Marner, but it's just not meant to be and I really hope Ken doesn't fall asleep at the wheel hoping to land a big name UFA...well, it could be just our luck that next year's UFA pool is s**t so he will have no other choice but to look for alternative way to bring talent into this organization. And I *really* hope he doesn't trade away Greentree, Bruz or Wooley for some deadline rental...
 
Right now we have 26 points with 60 games remaining. That's 59.09% & a 97 points pace. Which should be enough to make the playoffs but probably not as a higher seed.And with all the extra points from so many overtimes, we don't know how many points will it take to qualify in the West.
Last year Calgary just missed with 96 pts. And yes - so many extra points from OT I actually wonder if 100 pts will be enough, but same time this pace is unsustainable for all these teams.

Sadly the way the Kings are going they’re a good bet for one of the teams to taper off. You can’t grind out 1, 2 goal wins on a shortened bench behind a mid thirties goalie need to playing at Vezina candidate level for 60 more games.
 
…You can’t grind out 1, 2 goal wins on a shortened bench behind a mid thirties goalie need to playing at Vezina candidate level for 60 more games.
Burnout from fatigue is going to become a big issue with the coach basically playing 9 forwards and 5 defensemen. The top guys will have nothing left in the tank come playoff time.

Guess Hiller is counting on the Olympic break giving the guys a rest as Kempe will be the only King playing for his country.

I really dislike this coach…
 
What this team lacked in the recent years especially is the young talent poaching. There's a lack of trades for young prospects as well as lack of young player UFA signings. The last trade was Portillo I think? March of 2023. Ontario isn't exactly seeping with talent. There are quite a few prospects that were fairly highly touted that didn't pan out and there wasn't enough influx of new young players in order to keep the competition high and increase chances of someone knocking on the door of the big club. The Reign isn't a bad performing AHL team, but it's full of vets that are career AHLers. Good ones, but AHLers and nothing more.


On the contrary actually, the Kings were on the receiving end of said poaching (Spence, to an extent Durzi, in a way also Bjornfot and there may be more examples). Sure, it would be nice to sign Marner, but it's just not meant to be and I really hope Ken doesn't fall asleep at the wheel hoping to land a big name UFA...well, it could be just our luck that next year's UFA pool is s**t so he will have no other choice but to look for alternative way to bring talent into this organization. And I *really* hope he doesn't trade away Greentree, Bruz or Wooley for some deadline rental...
This is truly well said. There have been young talented prospects dangled out by team who weren't a fit for their current team for whatever reason which other teams have gambled on, some have won and some have not. Gauthier to the Ducks, Zegras to Philly, Byram to Buffalo, Knight to Chicago, Geekie to Boston, Kakko to Seattle, even McGroaty to Pitts (which may end up a failure) falls into this category. Some have been had cheap and others the acquiring team paid a solid price for, but they all took chances and some of those chances have turned into absolute steals. When you look at the quality of prospects on the Reign they are lacking, and as you said the roster is full of vet AHLers, so why wouldn't the Kings be one of those teams looking to gamble on brining in some young talent?

If Holland trades Greentree, Bruz or Wooley it better be for a key long term piece in return. Right or wrong I am extremely on the Wooley train - this guy has the makings to a be key part of the team for many years to come and has the size and physicality to help our blue line take a big step forward.
 

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