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I think that if it wasn't for all of the input from the talented people that Lucas surrounded himself with back in the day, the classic Star Wars movies would have been a lot more like the prequels than what they turned out to be. In other words, if his original vision had been allowed to run its course, the movies would have been flops.

No. The prequels would have been more like the originals if Lucas had used better directors instead of himself. The prequels had everything going for it: better actors, better story etc. The (very) weak link was Lucas' directing ability which was exceedingly poor. If they could have had Irving Kershner or some of the people that'll end up doing these new movies the prequels would have better a LOT better.

jom
 
No. The prequels would have been more like the originals if Lucas had used better directors instead of himself. The prequels had everything going for it: better actors, better story etc. The (very) weak link was Lucas' directing ability which was exceedingly poor. If they could have had Irving Kershner or some of the people that'll end up doing these new movies the prequels would have better a LOT better.

jom


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Well, the differnce is Abrams is coming into a situation where the script is kinda written, and in order to make the proposed date there isn't a lot of room for tinkering. So yeah, it's a different situation than Star Trek. That's the most surprising aspect of this. This is a guy who wouldn't do Star Trek 2 unless he was able to move off the intended date by like a year.

The nice part of that is Lawrence Kasdan is now consulting. Let him tinker away.
 
so honestly i have about I dont know 20 or so books from when they released the new stories of which only the Zahn books held any re readability. If I decide to delve back into them is anything worthwhile to imagining this new world?
 
I have that one as well.....at least I think I didn't burn it

The author was the same guy who "ghost wrote" the first SW novelization. It said GL wrote it but he didn't....but it was actually Foster. It was OK but isn't applicable as it is based on the characters just after the first movie.

I'm not sure what they are going to do with the new movies but Zahn's novels could be used but they are limited. I certainly hope they don't use some of those other novels...they are mostly crap....the ones I actually read anyway.

And to Doc: Yep

jom
 
Everything I've read so far has indicated that they won't be using any of the novelizations that are out there. We'll see if they draw any "inspiration" from them or not though.
 
I believe that's sorta the idea.

And so were those novels...for instance I know for a fact Zahn met with GL on a number of occasions. I don't think every author did that but since Zahn was the first one with the go-ahead to do the post-movie books that was the arrangement.

jom
 
No. The prequels would have been more like the originals if Lucas had used better directors instead of himself. The prequels had everything going for it: better actors, better story etc. The (very) weak link was Lucas' directing ability which was exceedingly poor. If they could have had Irving Kershner or some of the people that'll end up doing these new movies the prequels would have better a LOT better.

jom

I don't entirely agree with this. There were problems with the prequels beyond the directing, but in a perfect world, Lucas would probably not have directed.
 
Saw that the 3D re-releases got axed today. Yay?

Although Hasbro must think it sucks since SW will only be left with the CW cartoon until 2015...
 
I don't entirely agree with this. There were problems with the prequels beyond the directing, but in a perfect world, Lucas would probably not have directed.

If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

jom
 
If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

jom


I can see that. One of the hidden benefits of having a Disney-owned Star Wars universe is that it frees Lucas to be papa and creative guru for the overall vibe without him having to bear the responsibility for every little thing (whether or not he was actually involved with such thing). Ultimately, that pressure fueled the stubbornness he had increasingly exhibited.
 
If you fix the direction in these movies you fix much of the crap people complain about. I didn't say there were any other problems but IMO similar problems existed in the originals. Lucas never was a particularly good director. He was more of an idea guy...so these new sequels will benefit a great deal NOT having him on the set.

jom

The difficulty with the prequels in many ways was the story and characters. There wasn't much to work with. The original trilogy had at its core a very simple and enjoyable premise, it was a hero's journey set against a clear good vs. evil backdrop. Luke was the clear protagonist, a lead character that most people could relate to. The Rebels vs. Empire dynamic was pretty easy to grasp, underdogs fighting for good against a definitively evil power.

The prequels always had a lot working against them. There's no hero, as the main character is bound to a "tragic" fate of falling from grace. There's no inspiring backdrop story either, as the end result has to be the formation of the Empire and the decimation of freedom as well as the Jedi. Obi-Wan and Padme are not the central characters, and they lack any real story arcs, they just serve as loose triggers for Anakin's flaws. There's no clear good vs. evil, due to the manipulation of Palpatine to empower himself and create the empire.

To me, the prequels were doomed from the beginning due to the decision to focus on Anakin. It would have been interesting to have instead focused on Obi-Wan from the start, and make Anakin and his turning to the dark side a part of Obi-Wan's story instead. Might have given more room to make a better story arc and given the audience a "hero" to root for. I understand what Lucas tried to accomplish regarding the theme of the prequels and Anakin's demise, but I think it was a flawed approach.

And yes, I agree the movies would have been much better with better direction and dialogue. But still, I feel at its core the storyline of the prequels was as big of a problem or more.
 
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