Just a question....was that in Quick's contract? Only reason I ask is, could that apply to Kopitar and Doughty?
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hokiecat
Super Star
Patrick Kane took a discount to play in Chicago? Or he signed a prove-it deal in Detroit since he could have been Nick Backstrom 2.0? Sorry, that isn't a good example. Again, name one or two two 35+ players on a team friendly deal.
hokiecat
Super Star
How very socialist of you. Maybe he could pay the Kings to play for them.
Birdman
TEAM LGK
He didn’t have a no trade.
emsomaso
The Swedish King
I’m far from being a member of the Rob Blake fan club and the PLD trade for sure looks like a stinker right now. But the reality is that each year 31 of 32 general managers are ”not capable of building a championship team”! Just saying…
But for sure I agree, this season has unfortunally really taken a nosedive south! But there are signs of them getting it back together again, hopefully all the injuries won’t kill that hope!
VCRW
Classic player
Maybe that would work. Money might be a better motivator than the whiny crap that Drew was selling.
LAKingSteve
Super Star
For sure...I just thought (and hoped) that he would have had a better last couple of year with the Kings and finished up here. Is what it is, happy he's still playing (was nice beating him earlier this year as well)
Bollocks
Top Forward
When it comes to Kopitar, there are several reasons I believe he will never be traded:
- he doesn't have a M-NTC (AFAIK), there are no XY teams he'd be OK to be traded to, he can say no to any move
- LA is his hometown, his ONLY hometown except Jesenice and - to an extent - Södertalje, Sweden; and while North Americans are practically nomads by nature, Europeans are far less used to moving around (except the younger generations lately)
- having a family with kids further complicates that, in a recent interview for our main national media station he specifically said that he hopes he doesn't get traded due to that reason first and foremost
- he recently put his home for sale...after just signing an extension with LA Kings. Means he's probably looking to move locally, which FURTHER lowers the chances he'd accept a trade, let's say, 1 year later
- he achieved whatever he realistically can with the LA Kings and he 100% has a bigger motivation to win it all again with the Kings than any other team out there
- he's much more a "face of the franchise" than any other still active LA King (Drew is his only competition here, but see below re: Drew)
Basically, the only infinitesimally small theoretical possibility of him moving is to the Ducks, and I'm pretty sure he's way too loyal to the fanbase to do that and he'd probably rather retire early or go for some made-up LTIR scenario for his last season, in case his health gives up (hopefully not).
Now, contrary to what many posters here believe, he DID take a hometown discount, and he did it for a reason. Had he been up to testing the UFA waters he'd easily get close to 10m/year for the same term IMO. Especially from a young team without cap trouble looking for a mentor and a leader.
Now, Drew on the other hand...he didn't give the Kings much of a H.T. discount considering the term. He's Canadian, Canadians would absolutely LOVE to have him on board, probably any team up there. He now has an active M-NTCv (don't know what kind exactly). He will be considerably more overpaid by the time his contract nears its end, which makes it a much bigger no-brainer from the standpoint of the team management.
He doesn't play bad hockey at all, he's not "past it". Worse than 10 years ago? Sure. But still more than capable top 4, if not top 2 D-man with Cup pedigree. He can definitely be a big boost to any team still, especially with some cap retained.
I'd say if Clarke and Spence manage to improve further...it's totally a realistic scenario.
What does that even mean?
Pevsfreedom
somehow in south carolina
Definition. A no-trade clause is a contractual clause that allows players to veto trades to certain teams. No-trade clauses are often worked into contract extensions and free-agent contracts as a perk for the players signing such deals.
Clif
Super Star
The injury may not affect Grundstrom’s value much because he doesn’t have much to begin with. If Lemieux got a fourth a few seasons back I’d like to think Grundy could pull that, but a fifth also sounds right. Regardless, I say get what you can and free up his cap so Turcotte can stay up.
Birdman
TEAM LGK
Basically, Quick didn’t have a choice. He didn’t get a NTC/NMC from Lombardi (I recall being kinda shocked at that omission at the time it was signed.)
Kopitar and Doughty have NMCs and can’t be dealt or sent down without their consent,’They can be waived and bought out, but that’s it. If Blake or his replacement wants to trade them, they get to say no if they choose to.
With escrow and the repayment plan most NHL contracts were pegged between 30-35% as take home pay after everything. Now that escrow payments are more normal contracts are estimated at 40-45% as take home. Any other methods to defer taxes also defer the pay. Sure it's a lot of money, but they are not getting a lot of money too.
Birdman
TEAM LGK
Spoken like a true Tax Guy.
He had a choice to retire a king, but he wasn't convinced he was done. It took all of that bullshit for him to actually find his game again and good on him for it. But there was no way in good conscience Blake could offer him a contract that could not be buried in the A. He had more respect for him than that.
the players union would never allow him to take anything less than market value
Back on topic. Don't expect much this deadline. There is very little space and Arvidsson, Grundstrom, and Kempe are all due back
VCRW
Classic player
Those 3 players coming back are the deadline deal. The only move Blake should try to make is getting a decent draft choice for Kaliyev.
DryKing
Power Forward
End of day Quick was right not to retire, and Blake was mistaken in thinking his career was at an end.
I don't think it took the trade for Quick to once again find his game, it took better goaltending coaching (perhaps a new voice) and a D group that played more consistently and/or predictably (even if they were unable to match the high of the Kings).
I think they were both right with the info they had, there just really wasn't a Disney ending in it for kings fans. There might be for Quick fans since he did root for the rags growing up.
DryKing
Power Forward
I think Kaliyev could be valuable to the team if we decide to part ways with Arvy.
Personally I would like to see Gundy moved for a pick but a better time may be during the offseason.
Lizotte also may be worth trading simply due to his AAV. Hard to think he takes a paycut in the offseason.
We really don't have much else to move.
