The Trade Deadline Thread

hokiecat said:
Patrick Kane took a discount to play in Chicago? Or he signed a prove-it deal in Detroit since he could have been Nick Backstrom 2.0? Sorry, that isn't a good example. Again, name one or two two 35+ players on a team friendly deal.
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I don't think you caught the irony in citing Kane. Before his current contract, Kopitar wanted Kane/Toews money. But Dean would only give him $10 million, not $10.5. But then Doughty drove the greed wagon right up to the Bank of AEG while Blake was at the helm. How could Rob say no with his history of salary negotiations with the Kings? But that contract became an impediment to the rebuild.

In comparison, look at what Stamkos and Bergeron did for their teams throughout their careers to help their teams ice the best players. I don't blame players for wanting to get paid. It's their right and they deserve it. But, as they say, money isn't everything.

I am an independent professional in the entertainment business. I can command a pretty high weekly salary, but I often take less than max possible so there is room in the budget to surround myself with the best people available on the audio crew. That philosophy has worked extremely well during my 45-year career.
 
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VCRW said:
I don't think you caught the irony in citing Kane. Before his current contract, Kopitar wanted Kane/Toews money. But Dean would only give him $10 million, not $10.5. But then Doughty drove the greed wagon right up to the Bank of AEG while Blake was at the helm. How could Rob say no with his history of salary negotiations with the Kings? But that contract became an impediment to the rebuild.

In comparison, look at what Stamkos and Bergeron did for their teams throughout their careers to help their teams ice the best players. I don't blame players for wanting to get paid. It's their right and they deserve it. But, as they say, money isn't everything.

I am an independent professional in the entertainment business. I can command a pretty high weekly salary, but I nearly take less than max possible so there is room in the budget to surround myself with the best people available on the audio crew. That philosophy has worked extremely well during my 45-year career.
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Victor Hedman is another great example - Hedman had a far better season and more upside when he signed his latest contract than Doughty did at the time of his latest contract signing, yet he signed for over $3m AAV less.

There is a reason Brady won so many Super Bowls - he took less on his contracts to sign talent around him. That is the difference between a player who really wants to win, and a player who puts $$$ before all else.
 
VCRW said:
I don't think you caught the irony in citing Kane. Before his current contract, Kopitar wanted Kane/Toews money. But Dean would only give him $10 million, not $10.5. But then Doughty drove the greed wagon right up to the Bank of AEG while Blake was at the helm. How could Rob say no with his history of salary negotiations with the Kings? But that contract became an impediment to the rebuild.

In comparison, look at what Stamkos and Bergeron did for their teams throughout their careers to help their teams ice the best players. I don't blame players for wanting to get paid. It's their right and they deserve it. But, as they say, money isn't everything.

I am an independent professional in the entertainment business. I can command a pretty high weekly salary, but I nearly take less than max possible so there is room in the budget to surround myself with the best people available on the audio crew. That philosophy has worked extremely well during my 45-year career.
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What % of salary do you leave on the table to ‘surround yourself with best people?’ My calculation shows that Kopitar left 30% of that on the table to do the same exact job he’s been doing for the last 10+ years. Sounds pretty good to me.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
What % of salary do you leave on the table to ‘surround yourself with best people?’ My calculation shows that Kopitar left 30% of that on the table to do the same exact job he’s been doing for the last 10+ years. Sounds pretty good to me.
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Same job, but the argument would be effectiveness/$$$ for the additional 2 yrs
 
DryKing said:
I think Kaliyev could be valuable to the team if we decide to part ways with Arvy.

Personally I would like to see Gundy moved for a pick but a better time may be during the offseason.
Lizotte also may be worth trading simply due to his AAV. Hard to think he takes a paycut in the offseason.

We really don't have much else to move.
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Kaliyev is a bum and needs a new home. Grundy hits people, he stays.
 
Axl Rhoadz said:
What % of salary do you leave on the table to ‘surround yourself with best people?’ My calculation shows that Kopitar left 30% of that on the table to do the same exact job he’s been doing for the last 10+ years. Sounds pretty good to me.
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I have taken half pay on a couple of great tours, just to be included. Always for people whose music I greatly admired but were playing in clubs and theaters instead of arenas and stadiums. Budget just wasn't there, but I wanted to be!
 
VCRW said:
I have taken half pay on a couple of great tours, just to be included. Always for people whose music I greatly admired but were playing in clubs and theaters instead of arenas and stadiums. Budget just wasn't there, but I wanted to be!
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Sounds like a very different situation.
 
You simply can’t compare Kopitar with players from Tampa Bay Lightning, like Stamkos and Hedman.

There is no state income tax in Florida, meaning that a Tampa player pays ”just” 40% in total taxes, while a LA player pays 53%.

That means that Stamkos got more actual money in his pocket signing a 8.5 million contract in Tampa than he would have got if he signed s 10.5 million contract in LA. So he didn’t give them a home discount, he actually got more money than Kopitar…

I can’t understand how the NHL let this continue, in my opinion it’s very unfair and gives some teams (like Tampa) a HUGE advantage over others like LA.
 

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emsomaso said:
You simply can’t compare Kopitar with players from Tampa Bay Lightning, like Stamkos and Hedman.

There is no state income tax in Florida, meaning that a Tampa player pays ”just” 40% in total taxes, while a LA player pays 53%.

That means that Stamkos got more actual money in his pocket signing a 8.5 million contract in Tampa than he would have got if he signed s 10.5 million contract in LA. So he didn’t give them a home discount, he actually got more money than Kopitar…

I can’t understand how the NHL let this continue, in my opinion it’s very unfair and gives some teams (like Tampa) a HUGE advantage over others like LA.
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You are, of course, correct about the tax inequities.. But here in the USA, people are paid handsomely to set up legal ways to avoid taxes. My original comment about “hometown discount” was in reaction to reading that Kopitar will have been paid over $140 million by the Kings alone at the end of his next contract. That doesn’t include endorsements, advertising revenue or investment income. Even if he had to pay 1/2 his income in taxes, his family would still be set for generations to come.

I don’t know what the NHLPA rules are about signing for significantly below market value. My comments were just wistful, in a perfect world sort of expressions. And it’s not Kopi’s fault that Blake offered such big dollars… but big dollars on a team that could only afford a 21-player roster? Hard to reconcile in this old hippie socialist mind…
 
Birdman said:
Kaliyev is a bum and needs a new home. Grundy hits people, he stays.
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Not saying Grundy is bad, but I'd replace him with JAD who is averaging 1.69 hits per game (2nd of all Kings forwards) and is much cheaper. Chances are Grundy gets a pay raise this off season as he is arbitration eligible so not a bad idea to trade him (as he holds value) given our salary cap problems.

Kaliyev has a low trade value and is cheap. He is working hard to improve so why not take a chance on him next season with a low salary contract and worst case see if he can raise his trade value before shipping him off?
 
VCRW said:
I don't think you caught the irony in citing Kane. Before his current contract, Kopitar wanted Kane/Toews money. But Dean would only give him $10 million, not $10.5. But then Doughty drove the greed wagon right up to the Bank of AEG while Blake was at the helm. How could Rob say no with his history of salary negotiations with the Kings? But that contract became an impediment to the rebuild.
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One thing that always bothered me about both of Doughty's contracts (this $11 mil one and the prior $7 mil per before that) was that it always appeared that he had to be the highest paid player on the team. That always screamed arrogance and selfishness to me. Is he more valuable than Kopitar? Or more an equal amount? This is complete interpretation, but the $200k extra a year in the prior contract and then $1mil more per in the next always sent a message to me of this petty pursuit. And it certainly had nothing to do with being team-first.
 
VCRW said:
You are, of course, correct about the tax inequities.. But here in the USA, people are paid handsomely to set up legal ways to avoid taxes. My original comment about “hometown discount” was in reaction to reading that Kopitar will have been paid over $140 million by the Kings alone at the end of his next contract. That doesn’t include endorsements, advertising revenue or investment income. Even if he had to pay 1/2 his income in taxes, his family would still be set for generations to come.

I don’t know what the NHLPA rules are about signing for significantly below market value. My comments were just wistful, in a perfect world sort of expressions. And it’s not Kopi’s fault that Blake offered such big dollars… but big dollars on a team that could only afford a 21-player roster? Hard to reconcile in this old hippie socialist mind…
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the only player who should be taking a discount on this roster is PLD.
 
emsomaso said:
You simply can’t compare Kopitar with players from Tampa Bay Lightning, like Stamkos and Hedman.

There is no state income tax in Florida, meaning that a Tampa player pays ”just” 40% in total taxes, while a LA player pays 53%.

That means that Stamkos got more actual money in his pocket signing a 8.5 million contract in Tampa than he would have got if he signed s 10.5 million contract in LA. So he didn’t give them a home discount, he actually got more money than Kopitar…

I can’t understand how the NHL let this continue, in my opinion it’s very unfair and gives some teams (like Tampa) a HUGE advantage over others like LA.
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yeah but then you live in florida
 
Friday is fast approaching. Is there much Blake can do with the players we have on LT/IR?
I'm in the opinion that he doesn't do anything major. Maybe a tweak here or there, hope players come off that LT/IR for playoffs and see what they can do. Then wait until offseason to make the major changes (like goaltending).
Kings have beaten every major contender in the West, they are near the top in the defensive categories so, lets see what they got.
It will suck to lose Roy and VA to UFA.
Our prospects need to make the jump to the next level or they'll need to be used to make those major changes .....
 
VCRW said:
You are, of course, correct about the tax inequities.. But here in the USA, people are paid handsomely to set up legal ways to avoid taxes. My original comment about “hometown discount” was in reaction to reading that Kopitar will have been paid over $140 million by the Kings alone at the end of his next contract. That doesn’t include endorsements, advertising revenue or investment income. Even if he had to pay 1/2 his income in taxes, his family would still be set for generations to come.

I don’t know what the NHLPA rules are about signing for significantly below market value. My comments were just wistful, in a perfect world sort of expressions. And it’s not Kopi’s fault that Blake offered such big dollars… but big dollars on a team that could only afford a 21-player roster? Hard to reconcile in this old hippie socialist mind…
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Well, there's your problem...USA is a country that not only encourages greed in people, but even seeks ways to legally prevent "hippie behavior", so I wouldn't be shocked to see that NHLPA has some kind of twisted way of limiting HT discounts in order to maximize the player's gains across the board.

And yes, sure, the players need a PA to help them against the owners. But one can't help but think there's some rotten ways within their strategy to gain as much as possible...

I'm not going to act like Kopitar is some good samaritan (that remains to be seen once he comes back to Slovenia if he helps save Slovenian hockey as a whole, which he could easily do with all those millions and experience). But objectively speaking I just don't think a contract well below 7 million was remotely realistic. It's a 2 year contract after all. If he signed for 6 million (surely a nice HT discount) for 4 years, people would be more disappointed. I think the term especially is the biggest giveaway of this being a HT discount...no need for cap gymnastics or giving teams picks if he becomes totally washed up after these 2 seasons...
 
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