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Moog
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Fair points.
However it can be said that the Cup is near “sacred” in the world of hockey and having a rapist on the Cup tarnishes the Cup.
Fair points.
However it can be said that the Cup is near “sacred” in the world of hockey and having a rapist on the Cup tarnishes the Cup.
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aragorn
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I understand that... was Marty McSorley's name removed from The Cup when he was found guilty of assault with a weapon while he was still playing hockey? And how about Craig MacTavish? Multiple Stanley Cup champion who KILLED a woman and went to jail for a year when playing for Boston. Came back after jail and won his Stanley Cups, became an all-star, and is still coaching in the league for St Louis! I don't think his name was etched out. All I'm saying is we should be careful about canceling old deeds.
Pretty sure there are a LOT of names that would need to be X-ed out if people dug hard enough. (Bobby Hull comes to mind). Younger fans are probably completely unaware of the allegations against Drew back in the day - (that one was dismissed as a "gold digger" - I'm hoping that was the truth).
I have a young friend who is aspiring to be a MLB pitcher. He has been taught exactly how to manage his social media by his college teams. But, he was good about locking it down long before that (and has impeccable character, but even so, people are so quick to make something of nothing these days)
I have a young friend who is aspiring to be a MLB pitcher. He has been taught exactly how to manage his social media by his college teams. But, he was good about locking it down long before that (and has impeccable character, but even so, people are so quick to make something of nothing these days)
Kurisu
O Captain, My Captain!
Here's another story that tells a little broader picture, but still without significant details. It's amazing how different the Canadian media is with this salacious stuff. It's so polite and gossip free, and the vibe of the small town comes through in the reporting.
https://vancouversun.com/news/local...appropriate-behaviour-at-high-profile-event?r
https://vancouversun.com/news/local...appropriate-behaviour-at-high-profile-event?r
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kingsatan
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or you could just prosecute them without violating the 1A.
last I checked rape is illegal.
and of course you are going to rebut with "patriarchy doesn't prosecute rape BS" but...
the most under-reported category of rape victims is men in jail.
Also funny how her being drunk to the point of "passed out" qualifies it as "more sinister" on WM's part; instead of showing the woman's lack of accountability for what goes in her body. if I drank that much and ran into traffic you wouldn't throw the book at the driver of the car that hits me...you would see the driver as the victim. The staff walking out without context in blind support of her is the venom of your championed cancel culture at work.
ban me for this to prove my point further
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Is your argument that by passing out she is partly responsible for being raped?
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Moog
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…because drivers of cars will intentionally try to hit intoxicated people running onto the road….because they are drunk, and there is an opportunity to hit them.
I would like to think that he wasn’t serious but an analogy that poorly thought out can only come from a society that continues to under value education.
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Moog
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You don’t have to ask that question.
He made it very clear the (alleged) rapist is the victim, not the woman who was raped.
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Illegal_Stick
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Uh.... well.... you're living up to your name, I'll give ya that.
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Statue4Deano
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Jesus hanging from the cross, summoning a final breathless whisper directed at the Romans "this is the venom of your championed cancel culture at work..." *thunder cracks*
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kingsatan
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totally changed my mind. Respect Wahmen! even if they're 304
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triplcrown
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Does all this mean Mitchell and Voynov will play 1st defense pair on the All-Abuse Team?
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Illegal_Stick
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Nah, it means they are going to have to compete for a defensive coordinator job with the Oilers.
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A better question to ask is why does this company allow a person to get so drunk at the workplace that they end up passing out. You can say everyone is responsible for how they act. But a lot of people might be old enough to drink but not old enough to know better about when & where to drink, especially in the food & beverage industry. It’s up to the company to say no drinking at the workplace even off the clock. Or allow it but with limits. Which most places do. But they should never allow one of their workers to pass out drunk at the workplace. I’m also wondering if this person’s co-workers said or did anything to help them not get so drunk they passed out. Unless you’re an extremely light drinker, you don’t go from sober to passed out without someone noticing how drunk they are.
This reminds me of a place I used to work that didn’t allow drinking at work on or off the clock. Except for 1 day out of the year when they had an employee party inside the night club where they said we could have unlimited drinks. And that was a complete $#!+show. Because people just heard unlimited drinks & didn’t have the sense to realize this is where they have to come back to work the next day. So don’t embarrass yourself in front of your bosses & co-workers. So there were lots of people getting hammered & puking all over the bathrooms, or having sex in the dark corners of the club, or just acting like fools. This went on for about 3 years before they finally got wise & pulled the plug on this event. I stopped going after year 2.
Also, this is not to take away from the main point. Which is if you find one of your employees is passed out, from drinking or anything else, don’t try to have sex with them. However they got to that point it doesn’t matter. Don’t….. Have…. Sex…… With….. A…… Person…… Who’s…… Passed…… Out. Allegedly.
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What you don't get is that how a woman dresses and how she behaves (seductive, or dead drunk, or whatever) in the end doesn't matter from a rapist's perspective. In the end - no means no. Raping a passed out drunk woman doesn't make the potential perpetrator any less f**** up and any less deserving a punishment, both legal and social.
Think about it - if you were drunk and seducing a woman at a party and in the end you pass out, and she uses a huge dildo to tear your a-hole apart and "forever damages your manhood"...would you blame yourself?? I hope not!
Think about it for a bit before laying judgement. I'm sure the woman regrets getting drunk, I'm sure her family and firends don't approve HER getting pass out drunk (because it's not without health risks and it was at a workplace, d'oh), but last I checked getting drunk isn't a crime, a lot of even rational young AND old people get pass out drunk sometimes, because s*** happens, or you need some "reset" from life or whatever - you don't know her story. And that doesn't make these people "prime targets" for rapists somehow, does it??
Her getting drunk at work should result in her getting fired, but IF the damn manager raped her she probably wouldn't get fired in the end. And - again - that's on the potential perpetrator, not on her. If the perpetrator wants his employees sober the last thing he should do is rape them if they're not. Hello, sanity, you there??
This isn't some "unnecessary cancel culture" based on a lone allegation of a rape maybe happening 20 years ago. It's a FAR FAR cry from that.
EDIT: Edited to make sure this is taken as a purely HYPOTHETICAL post in order to shove a very obvious point down a stubborn, victim-blaming throat and isn't in any way, shape or form an actual accusation of W. M. Sorry for the confusion.
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Has any of this been proven? If not please do not speak in absolutes that WM "raped" her. Let's like the facts come out before placing any judgements. Fact is currently, we really don't know much about what really took place. Additionally sex is nothing like the dildo analogy, and yes public intoxication is actually a crime in Canada (which greatly pales in comparison to alleged rape).
"Public intoxication is a federal crime in Canada, but it is only punishable on summary conviction carrying a maximum of six months in jail."
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DarkLeftHand
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What if they were BOTH wasted, and she passed out DURING the act? It’s plausible, yes? I don’t think an actual detailed account of what transpired has even been released, so I’m not ready to convict WM just yet.
Kurisu
O Captain, My Captain!
Completely plausible. And that's what the jury is for. A consensus of peers. It's all only speculation so far, so this thread is actually totally stupid. Organized civil society is supposed to be the arbiter of such things.
