***Winnipeg Jets vs. LA Kings GDT 10/27/22 7:30pm on BSW***

Being there in person...lord it was so incredibly difficult to watch. I literally cringe every time I saw them put a shot toward the goal as I had zero confidence it wouldn't go in.

This team is in trouble and so many levels.
 
Kings defense sucks. Quick isn't having a good night. Has allowed three weak goals in.

Until I read this post I thought the board was taking the "Fight Club" stance on the paper thin defense: you don't talk about Fight Club.
 
Dear Friends of LGK,

I would again like to apologize for the errors of my ways. I tuned into the game whilst the Kings were winning 3-2. They proceeded to be outscored... well you know. I tune in and the team tunes out. I have yet to watch a Kings victory and can only blame myself for this. I will seek help in rehab.

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Its the morning after and there's not enough mouthwash for that game. Todds got some work to do for sure. Clarkes 9th game on the docket with Toronto at home. Probably the biggest question for the rest of the season of real impact. Everything else is just beginning of the season stuff. For those of us with short memories last year they were just coming out of their 1-5-1 skid at the beginning of last season where outside of the opening game they couldn't find the net. We were all sick of corsi's with no goals. Well now we got goals and corsi's and no D. I'll bet they get something figured out, but it's always something.
 
Being there in person...lord it was so incredibly difficult to watch. I literally cringe every time I saw them put a shot toward the goal as I had zero confidence it wouldn't go in.

This team is in trouble and so many levels.

Yep. Defense is bad and goaltending's response seems to be "hold my beer". Quick was hung out to dry a bunch last night but no team is going to win when the goalie posts a 0.722 save percentage.

Also, Byfield is way better than JAD.
 
Yep. Defense is bad and goaltending's response seems to be "hold my beer". Quick was hung out to dry a bunch last night but no team is going to win when the goalie posts a 0.722 save percentage.

Also, Byfield is way better than JAD.

Hellebuyck was hung out to dry a bunch as well, especially in 1st period, but managed to save 40 of 44 SOG. Kings goaltending is horrible, no way around it. Defensive lapses, a too frequent occurrence in the Kings zone, are magnified by goaltending often unable to make the tough saves. Quick gives it his best but is well past his prime. Cal looks to be a head case. Perhaps time for option 3?
 
There has been the occasional issue because of an activated D man, but i strongly believe the issues right now have more to do with puck management and penalties. I dont want to make it sound like last night was lizotte's fault, or his line's fault, but there were a couple examples that spring to mind for me, whereby lizotte had the puck, was dancing around and simply fell down and coughed it up. You cant do that. He needs to make better decisions there. Late in the game, it happened on an extended shift in the King's zone. That line had several chances to simply clear the puck out of the zone and reset. But they didnt, and it cost them. One of the short handed goals i believe... you could see the odd man break taking shape off the draw when none of the kings committed to getting the puck that was just sitting there. Several players got themselves to no man's land, and the jets pounced on it and took it down for a 2 on 1 goal. A lot of this stuff is decision making. Guys are finding themselves in a position where they havent committed to one action or another, and its leading to turnovers.

Penalties too... that Kempe penalty was atrocious. I mean absolutely dumb ass awful. In no world did he have any chance of another outcome. Lizotte took a bad penalty. Lemeuix took a bad penalty at the end of the game. And these sorts of penalties have been happening all season so far.

There's also an issue of a few guys doing what id say is too much, or simply unnecessary, leading to inopportune turnovers near the attacking blue line. Durzi has been responsible for a few. Last night Fiala did some weird ass spin-o-rama pass right at the blue line to kopitar that had me really scratching my head.

The Kings are not making consistent decisions right now. The 1-3-1 is fine. The active defensemen is fine. In fact the attacking D is one of the better things ive seen from them this season, but the overall focus and decision making has been lacking. I dont know what the fix is because im unsure what the cause is. Are they simply not getting mentally prepared for games? Last night to end the 1st, winnie pulled their goalie for an offensive zone draw. Kings won the draw cleanly and had enough time to put a shot on goal. Instead, they just sort of stood around. Are guys fully understanding the situations in front of them from minute to minute? The team has some new players in the line up. They are definitely evolving their game strategy with more active d men. Is that just leading to some confusion right now? We've seen this team play exactly how we know they can for stretches, and then they just seemingly lose focus and mismanage the puck. Thesew were things we saw last season, too, but theyve been a bit more costly this season.

Really good post. I said before Kings need to make the safe play first. They?re making risky passes and losing coverage as they charge up the ice. They definitely are demonstrating a lack of awareness for the other team?s positioning. It?s leading to odd-man rushes like crazy and taking too many penalties. It feels like they?ve been given freedom to create offense and aren?t able to process playing defensively at the same time.

That said, all this would feel like early season stuff that they can come out of if not for the devastating goaltending. It?s clearly cost them points but I worry how much it could mess with their heads not knowing if any given shot is going to burn them. I have not had a single minute this season where the game has felt at all safe. When TB made it 4-2 with 2 minutes to go I was still thinking ?here we go.? That can?t be good for them to find their game.
 
Hellebuyck was hung out to dry a bunch as well, especially in 1st period, but managed to save 40 of 44 SOG. Kings goaltending is horrible, no way around it. Defensive lapses, a too frequent occurrence in the Kings zone, are magnified by goaltending often unable to make the tough saves. Quick gives it his best but is well past his prime. Cal looks to be a head case. Perhaps time for option 3?

Yep, Kings had multiple high quality scoring changes. Jets converted on their changes, we did not.
 
One would think the players and coaches would be sick of blowing leads. This team is going nowhere under the current leadership both behind the bench and on the ice.

Booooo!

Put the ?C? on Danault.

Danault was part of the problem last night and he's been very average all season.
 
Yep. Defense is bad and goaltending's response seems to be "hold my beer". Quick was hung out to dry a bunch last night but no team is going to win when the goalie posts a 0.722 save percentage.

Also, Byfield is way better than JAD.

Lizotte and Lemiuex could use a night or week off. Move JAD down to the 4th line where he's a much better fit and find some real size for the 4th line right wing. Lemiuex isn't it.
 
So here's a quote from McClellan that id like to dissect a bit, not that it needs a ton of dissection, but just so it's clear what I think he's saying.

I’ve been saying this for 10 games. 12% of our schedule is gone and we still don’t know how we want to play. I would think the experiment of run and gun that we’re trying to play, like how much more evidence do we need that it doesn’t work. There are simple hockey principles, you don’t turn pucks over at the line, you get pucks in deep, you forecheck, short shifts. The penalties that we’re taking are unacceptable, so there’s a lot of game management situations that go into it and unless the group decides as a whole, we’ll experiment for another 10 games. Maybe we will become the run and gun team. I don’t like our chances, but if that’s how we want to play and that’s what we’re going to keep trying, we’re probably going to keep getting the same results.

Just from this one quote alone, it appears easy to understand that the Kings have been practicing one way, talking about certain concepts, and then going out and playing completely different. I think they are stressing some very basic concepts, puck management, style of play, responsibility, etc... and then the guys take the ice and basically do what they want. And in coach's eyes, that's fine... sort of. He's guiding them. He's explaining the structure. He's explaining the responsibilities. But he's not out there skating. The players are the ones that execute. And to coach's point, the team needs to decide how they want to play, because they are the ones playing. Some teams do have success playing run and gun, although he doens't feel that it's going to lead to success for the Kings, as evidenced by their record so far.

So when coach talks about finding their identity, deciding hwo they want to play, it's not because there isnt a plan. It's not because they don't have past experience to draw on. And it' snot because coach isn't setting a foundation. It's because the players have said one thing, but done another. They keep saying they want to play kings hockey. We hear them say they need to play better defense. Manage the puck better. Etc... It's because when they actually go out and skate, they sometimes stop sticking to the plan. Last night, we watched them play a period of near flawless hockey. They absolutely dominated, when they were playing to the plan. As soon as they stepped outside the structure... it went to ****. And the longer the game went on, the more they decided to break from the plan.

That's the problem right now for this team. It isnt structure. It isnt that the Dmen are activating. It's that they arent keeping the structure and plan in mind as they play. There is no predictability (sound familiar?), because some guys expect A, and B ends up happening. I dont think it's a coincidence that the two best lines so far this season are Danault's line, and Lizotte's line. And that's because those two lines, generally speaking, have been playing to their identify and structure. They dont play as flashy. They get the puck in deep. And they utilize offensive possession to deny the other team the puck. Neither line has been mistake free. Hell, i just called out lizotte specifically for two boneheaded plays last night. But on the whole, those two lines look the most like Kings hockey. Because they are playing Kings hockey.



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And to be clear, i made this post because ive seen a few comments about the identity comments from coach.

"isnt he supposed to provide the identity?"
"isnt he supposed to tell the team how to play?"

and i think he is. This, to me, is a player problem. Short of benching a bunch of guys, which i dont really see as useful, what else does he do?
 
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This :agree::agree:

And I would hope last night stung enough that some of them take some ownership and get angry about this. Situations like this are where you miss players like Williams and Mike Richards.
 
If I am the owner. I would be thinking. TM is in his fourth year and if he hasn't figured out yet how the team should be playing. (System) then I would be calling Blake and telling him to fire TM. Why. Because he doesn't have a clue on what he is doing nor the ability to get the players to play his system.
 
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Really good post. I said before Kings need to make the safe play first. They’re making risky passes and losing coverage as they charge up the ice. They definitely are demonstrating a lack of awareness for the other team’s positioning. It’s leading to odd-man rushes like crazy and taking too many penalties. It feels like they’ve been given freedom to create offense and aren’t able to process playing defensively at the same time.
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This seems to me to be the #1 issue. The first 10 minutes of last night were great! Fun, exciting, fancy passes that were working! But then the "fancy" kept on going but was getting outworked.

On a related POSITIVE....I love the way we're cycling in the O zone! Dman jumps in, forward takes his place. It's great when it works and everyone plays their role. But if everyone isn't perfect then then...well, we see what happens.
 
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If I am the owner. I would be thinking. TM is in his fourth year and if he hasn't figured out yet how the team should be playing. (System) then I would be calling Blake and telling him to fire TM. Why. Because he doesn't have a clue on what he is doing nor the ability to get the players to play his system.

He has given this group some freedoms early in the season to see how they would develop. It?s his call to pull in the reigns when he feels like the momentum has changed and sometimes it?s too late and the puck is in the back of the net. I don?t mind sacrificing scoring for great defense, however to keep up with the Colorado?s you will need to open up because they will score no matter how good your defense plays. Scoring two goals against Colorado will not allow you to win games.
 
He has given this group some freedoms early in the season to see how they would develop. It?s his call to pull in the reigns when he feels like the momentum has changed and sometimes it?s too late and the puck is in the back of the net. I don?t mind sacrificing scoring for great defense, however to keep up with the Colorado?s you will need to open up because they will score no matter how good your defense plays. Scoring two goals against Colorado will not allow you to win games.

I agree. The loose reins also remind me of when Phil was coach of the Lakers and they'd blow a 15 to 20-point lead. He wouldn't call timeout. He'd just let them go down in flames. So a .667 team just gives away a huge lead and either lose or win on a Kobe miracle shot at the buzzer. A normal coach would call timeout to try and stop the bleeding. Phil would let them bleed out and then use that as a seriously teachable moment about sticking to the plan. I can see TM sort of doing the same thing for now. We might be wishing we had the 2 points in April but the hope is the lightbulb goes on in some guys' heads and you make up the 2 points and then some by playing "the right way" in December-April. From TM's quote, it doesn't sound like he expects the team to figure things out in the next week.
 
I agree. The loose reins also remind me of when Phil was coach of the Lakers and they'd blow a 15 to 20-point lead. He wouldn't call timeout. He'd just let them go down in flames. So a .667 team just gives away a huge lead and either lose or win on a Kobe miracle shot at the buzzer. A normal coach would call timeout to try and stop the bleeding. Phil would let them bleed out and then use that as a seriously teachable moment about sticking to the plan. I can see TM sort of doing the same thing for now. We might be wishing we had the 2 points in April but the hope is the lightbulb goes on in some guys' heads and you make up the 2 points and then some by playing "the right way" in December-April. From TM's quote, it doesn't sound like he expects the team to figure things out in the next week.

I might be wrong but a good coach controls his players. Sutter would never allow the players play the way they feel they should play. He implemented his system and the players had to execute it and if they didn't, they wouldn't be dressing for the game. I think it is really weak telling and showing players how you want them to play and they don't do it and you just let them keeping playing until they realize they are not playing right. The coach isn't in control, the players are and that is a losing formula. The Avs have a very talented team but they play how Bednar wants them to play. Tampa has a very talented team and they play how Cooper wants them to play. Cooper is quick to make adjustments and corrections to players. You cannot throw away points in this league. Every point matters. If TM is coaching like that, then he needs to be shown the door.
 
I agree. The loose reins also remind me of when Phil was coach of the Lakers and they'd blow a 15 to 20-point lead. He wouldn't call timeout. He'd just let them go down in flames. So a .667 team just gives away a huge lead and either lose or win on a Kobe miracle shot at the buzzer. A normal coach would call timeout to try and stop the bleeding. Phil would let them bleed out and then use that as a seriously teachable moment about sticking to the plan. I can see TM sort of doing the same thing for now. We might be wishing we had the 2 points in April but the hope is the lightbulb goes on in some guys' heads and you make up the 2 points and then some by playing "the right way" in December-April. From TM's quote, it doesn't sound like he expects the team to figure things out in the next week.

Totally get your point and it's valid but A) I don't think TMac is that level of coach and B) it sounds to me like we have come to the point, as happens to all coaches in time, where the team has tuned him out. Based on the quote Helvetica shared alone, it's time to move on from TMac.

Keep in mind this is exactly what happened to him in SJ right before the team collapsed and he took zero responsibility, instead blaming the players.
 
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