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Yea but mine are legitimate.

Yes, they are. But Mondo actually provides a great counterpoint. I felt like you about Sunny, that I liked it, but I had that niggling feeling in the back of my mind that MB actually clarified nicely. You may disagree with him but that makes his points no less valid. It's ok Doc, 2 opinions can exist together.

In other Fx news

FX Orders Pilot for Period KGB Spy Drama THE AMERICANS

Here’s the full press release:


LOS ANGELES, December 16, 2011 – FX has ordered its next drama pilot, The Americans, which was Created by Joe Weisberg, announced Nick Grad, Executive Vice President, Original Programming, FX.

The Americans is a drama about the complex marriage of two KGB spies posing as Americans in suburban Washington DC in the early 1980’s. The arranged marriage of Phillip and Elizabeth Jennings, who have two children who know nothing about their parents’ true identity, grows more passionate and genuine by the day, but is constantly tested by the escalation of the Cold War and the intimate, dangerous and darkly funny relationships they must maintain with a network of spies and informants under their control. Complicating their relationship further is Phillip’s growing sense of affinity for America’s values and way of life.

Grad said, “Joe Weisberg has written one of the best pilot scripts we’ve ever read with two richly drawn and indelible characters embarking on an epically exciting, emotional, and morally complex journey.”

Weisberg will serve as Executive Producer of The Americans, alongside Executive Producer Graham Yost, who is also Executive Producer/Showrunner of FX’s Emmy? nominated hit drama series Justified. DreamWorks Television is also Executive Producer. The pilot is being produced by Fox Television Studios and FX Productions.

Weisberg previously worked for the CIA and went on to become an accomplished author. He then moved into television becoming a writer/producer on TNT’s hit series Falling Skies.

Yost is recognized as one of the finest producers in television. In addition to the Peabody Award winning and AFI honoree Justified, Yost was Executive Producer on HBO’s epic, award-winning miniseries Band of Brothers and The Pacific, and he also created NBC’s critically acclaimed series Boomtown.
 
I admire your sense of righteousness Doc, but it doesn't render his argument wrong. It's subjective, you buy in and allow the unreality or you don't.

Oh I agree with THAT wholeheartedly. Part of the appeal of The League (for me) is the fact that it's completely unrealistic. Just don't try and tell me that it's "hyper realism" or try to deny the contrivances that much of the humor relies upon.

EDIT : For a perfect example of what I'm talking about.... watch the Sunny episode "The Gang Gets Trapped".
 
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The thing about shows that drop the veneer of "reality" is that it allows them to create and dwell within the world they create. And I LOVE Philly and The League for that reason - they are limited in scope, but fully explore the boundaries of that world.

I can't tell if its over-magnified or stripped down, but in essence they are shows about people who simply love hanging out with each other, have a distrust of those outside of the group, and love nothing more than getting over on each other - it's actually a fairly realistic concept, just in an absurd half hour comedy form.

I must have misread his posts because I didn't come away with that.

Maybe I was reading into it too much.
 
Somewhere in between. He's right in that on Sunny they dropped any pretense of believability and wholeheartedly embraced that concept going forward. I would imagine that it would be hard for someone to come in cold and NOT be thrown by that show and the complete surface ridiculousness. Once you get adjusted to it though, he's right...it's a pretty simple concept as far as the 'gang' being the only reality that is embraced. It's not art or some sort of 'meta' thing, it's just a pretty funny show. If he is suggesting some sort of advanced hyper reality, well then, I would have to call bs too.
 
Oh stop it! Fully explore the boundaries of that world??? Enough... I'll listen to you tell everybody that Kopitar is a floater and that Brown has a brick in between his ears but I won't hear this nonsense.

It ain't rocket surgery. Both shows are about a group of people involved with very little but themselves and their little factions, so the subject matter is set within those confines. And they don't stick to realism - it's just whatever crazy comedic stuff they can come up with within content of that episode. It gives both shows a certain freedom to run with bizarre, goofy, non-sequitur-ial stuff.

It's not really sketch comedy, though there are definitely elements in there - more like expanded sketches loosely attached together for one underlying story, not unlike Curb Your Enthusiasm. But I would say that both Sunny and The League more closely resemble live action versions of South Park. By sticking to a more absurd formula, they can explore ideas for laughs that don't really fit into the reality of the situations.


Both shows are mean-spirited and hilarious - they don't have to be more semi-realisitic to somehow be "better" than other comedies, right?
 
Somewhere in between. He's right in that on Sunny they dropped any pretense of believability and wholeheartedly embraced that concept going forward. I would imagine that it would be hard for someone to come in cold and NOT be thrown by that show and the complete surface ridiculousness. Once you get adjusted to it though, he's right...it's a pretty simple concept as far as the 'gang' being the only reality that is embraced. It's not art or some sort of 'meta' thing, it's just a pretty funny show. If he is suggesting some sort of advanced hyper reality, well then, I would have to call bs too.

What ever terms we use, Sunny is very much based on real life situations, just boiled down, then Phillied into something that fits into the comedic theme of the show.

Take this last season of Sunny - it's been the best by far IMO. They have actively tried to flesh out the characters more. We have learned that Dennis is a closeted homosexual, with an over-inflated sense of his own importance, who made his lifelong friends by hanging out with his drug dealer and the class clown to further his own private delusions of grandeur. We all know people like that, not neccesarily with the same set of circumstances, and hopefilly not to the same degree.

Charlie was an abortion survivor, from a single mom and was molested by his Night Man uncle. Of course he is going to be imbalanced and have trouble functioning in a normal society. He has no tools for success, which is exactly what you find in people who have suffered thru abuse at a young age.

Ronald "MAC" MacDonald is forever in search of something, anything, that will make him more relatable to his absentee father - the show has dedicated several episodes to that idea. His machoisms are clearly realted to trying to prove how manly he is, and they always backfire, as he and the rest of the group tend to revel in their self-sabotaging efforts.

Sweet Dee's confidence was destroyed by her over-bearing mom, and in what I have always though to be a brilliant concept, shares the exact same group of delusions as her brother. I have always loved that while the gang relentlessly taunts her, they are always actually right in their taunts - she is a failure, her dreams are ridiculous, and she does look like a bird.

I'll give you Frank - he is becoming more and more of a "Kramer" as the show goes along, but for the most part, despite the absurdity of the situations and plot lines, Sunny has always dropped in some finely-layered, and even sad truths about why these people choose to do what they do. They have always made it clear why these people struggle, and why they will never succeed - all through believable and realistic means in a very funny, dark and abstract manner.
 
Hmmmm. Lots to chew on there. And I get where you are going. But this is where I think Doc might be right. I don't think Sunny's writing staff has this hidden agenda where they are layering a dense character study/drama under a slapstick comedy painted in increasingly broad strokes. It's like looking back on the Three Stooges and saying that Moe was unloved as a child and acted that out through being a narcissistic control freak, Larry was a closeted submissive who stood by Moe because it was the closest he could come to fulfilling his 'kink' in that era, etc. Sunny is basically a show where people do extremely wrong funny ****. I will admit they have fleshed out characters who started out as archetypes admirably, but to suggest a 'greater plan' is a little too complimentary.
 
Hmmmm. Lots to chew on there. And I get where you are going. But this is where I think Doc might be right. I don't think Sunny's writing staff has this hidden agenda where they are layering a dense character study/drama under a slapstick comedy painted in increasingly broad strokes. It's like looking back on the Three Stooges and saying that Moe was unloved as a child and acted that out through being a narcissistic control freak, Larry was a closeted submissive who stood by Moe because it was the closest he could come to fulfilling his 'kink' in that era, etc. Sunny is basically a show where people do extremely wrong funny ****. I will admit they have fleshed out characters who started out as archetypes admirably, but to suggest a 'greater plan' is a little too complimentary.

Well, they have dedicated entire episodes to each characters flawed childhoods - AND referred to them over and over again in following episodes. The Christmas Sunny special was sad as hell. That has always been an element of the show since it started. Not in every show, obviously Who Pooped the Bed isn't going to enlighten anyone!

And I don't know if it was an original intention to expand the characters, but to their credit they have definitely added realistic aspects to them as they have gone along, which is at a layer below surface level. I love it.
 
Well, they have dedicated entire episodes to each characters flawed childhoods - AND referred to them over and over again in following episodes. The Christmas Sunny special was sad as hell. That has always been an element of the show since it started. Not in every show, obviously Who Pooped the Bed isn't going to enlighten anyone!

And I don't know if it was an original intention to expand the characters, but to their credit they have definitely added realistic aspects to them as they have gone along, which is at a layer below surface level. I love it.

see, this I agree with, but I don't think anything beyond surviving past season 1 was on their original plan. And the fact that Sunny started so simply it has allowed nothing but retrofitting their identities and making them more complex. Like Archer, it's a show that has gotten progessively surer of itself as it has survived and that's the mark of good tv.
 
see, this I agree with, but I don't think anything beyond surviving past season 1 was on their original plan. And the fact that Sunny started so simply it has allowed nothing but retrofitting their identities and making them more complex. Like Archer, it's a show that has gotten progessively surer of itself as it has survived and that's the mark of good tv.

I think I read that Sunny was originally written as a bunch of wanna-be actors working as waiters in LA, and that they were so sure the show would be cancelled that they were still working their day jobs during the second season.

I haven't caught Archer yet, but will give it a shot this season.
 
I think I read that Sunny was originally written as a bunch of wanna-be actors working as waiters in LA, and that they were so sure the show would be cancelled that they were still working their day jobs during the second season.

I haven't caught Archer yet, but will give it a shot this season.

You owe it to yourself to watch the past 2 seasons of Archer too. Really one of the most smart-assed shows on tv. Really good stuff.
 
It ain't rocket surgery. Both shows are about a group of people involved with very little but themselves and their little factions, so the subject matter is set within those confines. And they don't stick to realism - it's just whatever crazy comedic stuff they can come up with within content of that episode. It gives both shows a certain freedom to run with bizarre, goofy, non-sequitur-ial stuff.

It's not really sketch comedy, though there are definitely elements in there - more like expanded sketches loosely attached together for one underlying story, not unlike Curb Your Enthusiasm. But I would say that both Sunny and The League more closely resemble live action versions of South Park. By sticking to a more absurd formula, they can explore ideas for laughs that don't really fit into the reality of the situations.


Both shows are mean-spirited and hilarious - they don't have to be more semi-realisitic to somehow be "better" than other comedies, right?


OK I'm going to have to bail on the Sunny comparisons because I just haven't been keeping up with it as closely over the last few seasons because I just couldn't take the characters anymore...

BUT..........

To compare the League to Curb Your Enthusiasm is like comparing Dustin Brown to Gordie Howe.

EDIT : And The League is nothing like South Park but for the fact that they're, ostensibly, about a group of friends who occasionally rip on each other.
 
Not sure how I feel about the AHS finale'. Seems to be a kind of unnatural calm that comes to ghosts. The 'afterbirth' episode was really the conclusion with this being more of an anti-climax that basically turned into Beetlejuice. Dylan McDermott's character is on record as being one of the most consistently stupid characters in the history of television. When everyone tells you not to bring the baby in a house that cost you EVERYTHING, you not only are going to bring it in there, but you are going to leave it unwatched as you SPOILERS


Off yourself. Tied up satisfactorily enough, just not worthy of the good work this show did early on. If you go back a few pages you can read how this was supposed to be longer but the creators were too busy with Glee to write more. I think that's indicitive of the whole season really. Hopefully they will either turn it over to a dedicated team or they will give this show the attention it deserves in the second season. Jessica Lange was good, but that scene in the beauty shop showed that it's an act that get tired pretty fast. I can still see them carrying over the story with the evil child and her if they wanted, while moving on to another family and set of ghosts...but if not, that's fine too. Overall, from start to finish, good...not great.
 
AMERICAN HORROR STORY Season 2 Preview News

Here’s a look at some other things you can expect in future seasons:

Each season of the show will feature a different haunting: a new home, building, prison, etc.
Each season will feature new principal actors, but previous actors may make appearances as completely different characters with different looks.
Each season will showcase new creatures and monsters.
Each season will answer the question of what an American horror can be.
Each season will explore a new theme, as in the theme of infidelity for season one. (Murphy also commented that a hint to season two’s theme was hidden within the last three episodes of season one. Any thoughts? Check out our recaps to refresh your memory!)
A DVD boxset of season one will be available, allowing fans to watch the series from the beginning and pick up on clues to the Harmon family’s fate that were present from the outset.
Stories of true crimes in American will continue to be featured in future episodes.
Each season will feature a new title sequence that is relative to the theme of that particular season. Murphy commented that he is trying to keep the same music team to keep consistency through the score.
Now, equally important is what (and who) you won’t see in season two of American Horror Story:

There won’t be a second “haunted house.”
The story won’t be set in L.A. and the setting will be very different from the California home.
You won’t see Connie Britton or Dylan McDermott as the Harmons, though there is a chance they may appear as secondary characters. (Murphy commented on his fondness for the Mercury Theater, which had a cast of rotating actors performing different characters for different plays.)
There won’t be any vampires! (Murphy expressed this explicitly.)
 
The American Horror Story finale: And they died happily ever after? - HitFix.com

SPOILERS


For a series that began in such an understandably dark place (check the title), the "AHS" finale was remarkably upbeat most of the way through. Ben dies, but the Harmons turn out to be much happier together in death than they ever were in life, and somehow (in ways the finale mostly avoided dealing with) the three of them plus Moira are able to keep the more hostile ghosts at bay and turn the murder house into a place where they can stay together and keep scaring off the poor living bastards who try to move in. Very odd, though perhaps if I cared about the Harmons more (which the episodes I watched didn't really make me do), I'd have felt weirdly pleased that things turned out as well as can be expected for them under the dire circumstances. Heck, they're even probably better off not having to raise the living baby, given how deeply the DNA of both Tate and the house are imprinted on the little monster.

And that's a great point. Mondo. you made a great argument about this show establishing rules re:ghosts. Well, the finale' pretty much played fast and loose with that, after all...where were the gay couple who were among the folks who wanted the baby...either baby, both babies? Which, it turns out, were both in play and pretty much up for grabs. Overall it was just too undercooked and uneven. And yeah, the point he makes about the Harmons being unlikeable is something they should address in future seasons(with other characters of course). A nice start overall, let's hope that ideas are a little further fleshed out in upcoming season(s). I do dig that it's going to be some weird type of rotating season long anthology deal though. If they can pull that off it'll be a neat trick. Also, the use of some of the same actors in different parts is a unique and very cool idea.
 
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