Elliotte Friedman: Chychrun May Be Available

[santiclaws]

Florida recently escalated the stakes to ridiculous. This deal may yet bypass ludicrous and go straight to plaid.

No, they haven't!! Why do people keep saying this? The only report was that they're "considering" offering Knight, etc., and we don't have any idea how serious that was. If that offer was actually made, the Yotes would've grabbed with both hands and not let go and Chychrun would be in Florida now. But kudos for the Spaceballs reference.

If Clarke is as ready advertised, does he not make Durzi, Faber, Spence, Roy and/or Walker potentially available to headline a swap for an LD?

What LD? I am not aware of any other young, offensive-minded, cost-controlled LD available or scheduled to be available any time soon. Chychrun is a unicorn, that's why half the league's GM are salivating over this guy.

 

[Ice24]

Why overpay during the season, if you are a team like the Kings.

 

[What party?]

No, they haven't!! Why do people keep saying this? The only report was that they're "considering" offering Knight, etc., and we don't have any idea how serious that was. If that offer was actually made, the Yotes would've grabbed with both hands and not let go and Chychrun would be in Florida now. But kudos for the Spaceballs reference.



What LD? I am not aware of any other young, offensive-minded, cost-controlled LD available or scheduled to be available any time soon. Chychrun is a unicorn, that's why half the league's GM are salivating over this guy.

Twelve herrings an? a bagpipe mak a rebellion.

[Translation: That is an over exaggeration.]

https://theculturetrip.com/europe/u...les/scottish-sayings-you-need-to-start-using/

[not being combative just being goofy. carry on.]

 

[fonze]

Why overpay during the season, if you are a team like the Kings.

because by offseason even more teams get into the mix making the price higher ... though i could be wrong

 

[Clif]

I?d prefer to see Bjornfot, Turcotte, a 1st, and one of Spence/Grans/or Durzi. Durzi would hurt a lot this year but if that?s the price to keep Clarke then great. This deal may not be enough and AZ may only trade if they get a very high-grade prospect back.

Hoven?s latest this weekend said it?s believed Bjornfot, Turcotte, and 2 1sts would be acceptable, but if not that Durzi coild replace one of the picks. I?d be good with either route.

https://mayorsmanor.com/2022/02/what-would-jakob-chychrun-cost-the-kings-and-should-they-do-it/

 

[roenick]

No, they haven't!! Why do people keep saying this? The only report was that they're "considering" offering Knight, etc., and we don't have any idea how serious that was. If that offer was actually made, the Yotes would've grabbed with both hands and not let go and Chychrun would be in Florida now. But kudos for the Spaceballs reference.

And the quote I saw was that Knight was the ASK from AZ not the offer. I HIGHLY doubt Florida will move Knight.

 

[HeadInjury]

Hoven?s latest this weekend said it?s believed Bjornfot, Turcotte, and 2 1sts would be acceptable, but if not that Durzi coild replace one of the picks. I?d be good with either route.

https://mayorsmanor.com/2022/02/what-would-jakob-chychrun-cost-the-kings-and-should-they-do-it/

It's just his speculation. Four first round assets for Chychrun is absurd.

 

[VCRW]

Ok, name one more suitable trading partner for a LD who is actually available (so no talk about Dahlin).

That's Blake's job, not mine, my friend.

 

[VCRW]

No, they haven't!! Why do people keep saying this? The only report was that they're "considering" offering Knight, etc., and we don't have any idea how serious that was. If that offer was actually made, the Yotes would've grabbed with both hands and not let go and Chychrun would be in Florida now. But kudos for the Spaceballs reference.

What LD? I am not aware of any other young, offensive-minded, cost-controlled LD available or scheduled to be available any time soon. Chychrun is a unicorn, that's why half the league's GM are salivating over this guy.

Thank you for noting the movie reference...

I obviously read Hoven and other NHL bloggers. NHL Radio is always on in my car. One can't get away from the speculation about Florida's rumored offer. If there is any truth to it at all, it will ignite a bidding war the minute Arizona announces his availability. 4 #1s is already a massively high price tag for a potential, not yet established, star left defenseman.

I would hate to see the Kings seriously overpay and then have the guy fall victim to a career-ending injury in his first season with the new team. Or worse, what if the guy keeps playing the undistinguished way he has thus far this season? Worst case has to be at least considered when determining how high the stakes should be.

A reasonable person would also assume that Blake and the front office team have alternative targets. I have no knowledge of who those players might be as I am just a lowly musician. But one must believe there is a plan B involved with the Kings competing against most of the league for Chychrun. Much can change between now and the late season trading deadline. It'll be a more interesting discussion if we wait to see who is selling then.

 

[HeadInjury]

The Left Shot D-Men on our Stanley Cup Winning Teams

2012: Scuderi, Mitchell, Martinez

2014: Muzzin, Mitchell, Martinez

We can compete without getting an elite left shot d-man. The players above were all real solid players (perhaps not Martinez yet in 2012). We need a definite upgrade, but there's better ways to use our assets than to shoot our wad on Chychrun if the 4 first round assets nonsense is the price.

 

[jt]

It's just his speculation. Four first round assets for Chychrun is absurd.

Based on what comp? What young LD has been traded for less than Turcotte + Bjornfot + 2 1sts?

 

[jt]

That's Blake's job, not mine, my friend.

Have you read the LGK registration agreement? It's right there in black and white. :

I think it actually is the job of any fan who isn't just being a naysayer to say at least one rational alternative.

 

[jt]

Thank you for noting the movie reference...

I obviously read Hoven and other NHL bloggers. NHL Radio is always on in my car. One can't get away from the speculation about Florida's rumored offer. If there is any truth to it at all, it will ignite a bidding war the minute Arizona announces his availability. 4 #1s is already a massively high price tag for a potential, not yet established, star left defenseman.

But like roenick said, it's apparently not a rumored offer but a rumored ask.

I would hate to see the Kings seriously overpay and then have the guy fall victim to a career-ending injury in his first season with the new team. Or worse, what if the guy keeps playing the undistinguished way he has thus far this season? Worst case has to be at least considered when determining how high the stakes should be.

Wait what? Do if you were a GM you would never trade for (overpay is a seriously objective word and IMO doesn't apply to the rumored Kings offer) a player who a risk for a career-ending injury? Or one who might play undistinguished hockey? Because if that's the case, you'd never trade for a high end player...every.

A reasonable person would also assume that Blake and the front office team have alternative targets. I have no knowledge of who those players might be as I am just a lowly musician. But one must believe there is a plan B involved with the Kings competing against most of the league for Chychrun. Much can change between now and the late season trading deadline. It'll be a more interesting discussion if we wait to see who is selling then.

Sure, they've got targets. But a reasonable person would also assume (by looking at the list of ALL possible targets), that nobody like him is available for a better value than what it would take for the Kings to acquire Chychrun.

 

[jt]

The Left Shot D-Men on our Stanley Cup Winning Teams

2012: Scuderi, Mitchell, Martinez

2014: Muzzin, Mitchell, Martinez

We can compete without getting an elite left shot d-man. The players above were all real solid players (perhaps not Martinez yet in 2012). We need a definite upgrade, but there's better ways to use our assets than to shoot our wad on Chychrun if the 4 first round assets nonsense is the price.

That's a great point and it might be true, but...

The Right Shot D on our Stanley Cup Winning Teams

2012: Doughty, Voynov, Greene

2014: Doughty, Voynov, Greene

Who's the Voynov type on the right side? Durzi? I love what he's done this year, but he isn't there yet.

BTW, Martinez was a right shot who had the very unique ability to play the left side very effectively.

 

[HeadInjury]

Based on what comp? What young LD has been traded for less than Turcotte + Bjornfot + 2 1sts?

Most young D-men have been re-signed, not traded. Dahlin. Werenski, Nurse, etc.

But as an example, look at Seth Jones. Columbus received two firsts and Adam Boqvist.

Columbus also received the 44th pick, but traded Chicago the #32 pick and a 6th rounder.

The net of that is less than 3 first round assets.

It was a good haul for Columbus. Chicago overpaid, not just in terms of the trade, but also his ridiculous new contract.

And I'd say Jones is more of a proven player that Chychrun.

 

[HeadInjury]

BTW, Martinez was a right shot who had the very unique ability to play the left side very effectively.

You have this backwards. He was a left shot that could play on the right when needed.

 

[VCRW]

But like roenick said, it's apparently not a rumored offer but a rumored ask.



Wait what? Do if you were a GM you would never trade for (overpay is a seriously objective word and IMO doesn't apply to the rumored Kings offer) a player who a risk for a career-ending injury? Or one who might play undistinguished hockey? Because if that's the case, you'd never trade for a high end player...every.



Sure, they've got targets. But a reasonable person would also assume (by looking at the list of ALL possible targets), that nobody like him is available for a better value than what it would take for the Kings to acquire Chychrun.

The Florida rumor is persistent. That's all I said. It's been widely discussed. Did you miss the "If there is any truth to it at all" declaration about the speculative nature of my comment?

I didn't say "paralyzed by" worst case goblins. I used the word "considered". Chychrun's play this year has been concerning and his +/- is alarming.

And, of course, every player risks injury every game. My wry injury comment was about a Kings Karmic payback for overpaying. I should have made that more clear.

So... I am no longer immovably convinced that 4 #1s is a reasonable price.

Okay? I'm done playing... not getting sucked into the vortex.

But I do love the way your analytical mind works...

 

[VCRW]

Have you read the LGK registration agreement? It's right there in black and white. :

I think it actually is the job of any fan who isn't just being a naysayer to say at least one rational alternative.

Aaaahhh... you know me. I'm just a lazy **** with a big slap shot...

Seriously, I have not put in any research time on rosters, contracts or the other teams' missing pieces. Everything has been all about Chychrun this year.

 

[jammer06]

That's a great point and it might be true, but...

The Right Shot D on our Stanley Cup Winning Teams

2012: Doughty, Voynov, Greene

2014: Doughty, Voynov, Greene

Who's the Voynov type on the right side? Durzi? I love what he's done this year, but he isn't there yet.

BTW, Martinez was a right shot who had the very unique ability to play the left side very effectively.

People vastly overrate Voynov compared to what he was getting from Mitchell. Its pretty obvious who drove that pair when Mitchell was out in 2013 and how the back end handled that. Who could forget the days of Keaton Ellerby and Davis Drewiske.

 

[jt]

Most young D-men have been re-signed, not traded. Dahlin. Werenski, Nurse, etc.

That's exactly the point. D like Chychrun aren't available often. That's why he's so valuable to trade for.

But as an example, look at Seth Jones. Columbus received two firsts and Adam Boqvist.

Columbus also received the 44th pick, but traded Chicago the #32 pick and a 6th rounder.

The net of that is less than 3 first round assets.

It was a good haul for Columbus. Chicago overpaid, not just in terms of the trade, but also his ridiculous new contract.

And I'd say Jones is more of a proven player that Chychrun.

I love Jones as an example. Yeah, he was older when he was traded. But does his "provenness" outweigh his youth? If the Kings waited for a Jones type D to become available, these things would have to happen:

1. A team has to be willing to trade him to the Kings.
2. The D has to be willing to sign a GIGANTIC extension with the Kings.
3. The Kings have to be willing to sign said player to a GIGANTIC extension.
4. It all has to fit in the cap.

I am very pessimistic all those things can come together at the same time for the Kings. And I'm not at all convinced that Jones at 28 (and $9.5M x 8) is worth as much as Chychrun at 23 (and $4.6M x 3).

So I think Jones isn't a valid comp because he's too old.