Elliotte Friedman: Chychrun May Be Available

What I would do:
I'm trying to keep Clarke because we need a top scoring defenseman and nothing against Durzi but he's not Clarke. And Byfield because he has the greatest chance of our picks of becoming a scoring threat.

Conceptually, I agree about Durzi vs Clarke. But the USA Hockey analysis of him is that he doesn't play defense. Is that what the Kings really need/want? There are SO many former NHL D prospects who were all O and no D. IMO, this is a time where the Kings staff has to earn their paychecks by evaluating whether Clarke can play enough D to be a useful top D.

I'd offer Turcotte, Bjornfot, and our first. Our first will likely be higher than other team's firsts. That's 3 firsts for Chychrun including a top 5 overall. If AZ need more sweeteners than feel free to pick from Vilardi, Kupari, Fagemo, JAD, Madden, Spence, or Grans as JT mentions.

I think the Kings can offer the best package of kids of any team, though.

I'd hope they'd do it. But if I'm the Coyotes I need ONE elite prospect in the trade. Turcotte has faded so IMO that means either Clarke or Byfield has to be included and if the Kings won't do it, someone else will. Especially for a very reasonably priced cost-controlled Chychrun.
 
But if I'm the Coyotes I need ONE elite prospect in the trade. Turcotte has faded so IMO that means either Clarke or Byfield has to be included and if the Kings won't do it, someone else will. Especially for a very reasonably priced cost-controlled Chychrun.

I agree so that means Clarke, for me.

The rub here is that three years from now I could be COMPLETELY wrong about Byfield/Clarke. Who knows? I sure the hell don't and neither does anyone else here. You know who should know? Blake. If not, he ain't doing his job. It's very difficult but that's why he gets the big bucks. While I sit here scratching my ass being the "highest paid" armchair GM.

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Ok, so what do you DO to fill the LD hole? Or do you just keep going with them?

BTW, if you get a Chychrun and keep Anderson or Bjornfot, Chychrun plays so many minutes you don't need an Anderson or Bjornfot as much. You can get by with a veteran #3 LD like Edler playing 10 minutes. A D of this competes for a Cup:

Anderson/Bjornfot - Doughty
Chychrun - Roy
Edler - Durzi/Walker

And if you don't like Edler in that spot, you can trade a RD like Walker with a forward prospect for a #3 LD. It's easier to fill the #3 LD spot that the #1 LD spot (Chychrun would be the #1 LD even if Anderson/Bjornfot is playing on the #1 pair).

My thinking is that Clarke, Turcotte, 2022 1st and 2023 1st or Kupari (or equivalent prospect) should be enough. The equivalent of 4 first rounders was the initial asking price for Eichel. Why wouldn?t that be enough for Chychrun?

BUT - if this is a thought experiment that says one of Mikey or Toby absolutely has to be included, I?ll admit you present it in as reasonable a way as it can be. And if it happened that way I?d be uncomfortable, whereas if it gets done without one of those two I?m over the moon. But I?m thinking I could live with it.

I have to say funny you bring up Allison. Dean used to highlight that trade as a bad move because while the team had a much improved top line center, it had a worse second line center and the team depth suffered. Then when that guy gets hurt you?re really screwed. Not quite the same situation, but it certainly influences my take.
 
Now is not the time to be trading any top prospects. Picks, maybe.
You don't trade until you have a better evaluation on these kids.

TOO SOON.

And a 1/3rd of the way through the first real development season is not the time!!
 
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We absolutely can't trade for Chychrun. We don't have the personnel for it.
 
Now is not the time to be trading any top prospects. Picks, maybe.
You don't trade until you have a better evaluation on these kids.

TOO SOON.

And a 1/3rd of the way through the first real development season is not the time!!

When is the right time? They've already started losing guys (Clague) on waivers. Next year that's Andersson, Vilardi and JAD then after that it's Kupari, Durzi, Madden, Thomas, Shafigullin, and Dudas. You literally CAN'T keep them all...if they're any good. Also, if you wait until everyone knows they're not high end NHLers, they have no trade value, so getting a stud like Chychrun is impossible.
 
When is the right time? They've already started losing guys (Clague) on waivers. Next year that's Andersson, Vilardi and JAD then after that it's Kupari, Durzi, Madden, Thomas, Shafigullin, and Dudas. You literally CAN'T keep them all...if they're any good. Also, if you wait until everyone knows they're not high end NHLers, they have no trade value, so getting a stud like Chychrun is impossible.

When the Kings have had time to evaluate all prospects and particularly when we are closer to being a contending team, not just a playoff hopeful.
Yes, playoff experience is invaluable but not at the cost of potential studs Byfield or Clarke. By everyone's account, 2 can't miss cornerstone players.
Does Chychrun make us a cup contender?
 
When the Kings have had time to evaluate all prospects and particularly when we are closer to being a contending team, not just a playoff hopeful.
Yes, playoff experience is invaluable but not at the cost of potential studs Byfield or Clarke. By everyone's account, 2 can't miss cornerstone players.
Does Chychrun make us a cup contender?

Ok. So assuming Brown retires, pick 2 forwards to potentially lose, assuming only Byfield makes the team. If Turcotte. Fagemo, Madden, or others make the team...pick more forwards to lose.

Kopitar
Kempe
Danault
Iafallo
Arvidsson
Athanasiou
Moore
Kupari
Grundstrom
Lemieux
Lizotte
Kaliyev
Andersson
Vilardi
JAD

And on defense, pick 6 players to potentially lose:
Doughty
Anderson
Bjornfot
Roy
Durzi
Walker
Edler
Wolanin
Strand
Maatta
Nousiainen
Moverare
Phillips

Oh, and NOBODY is a can't miss. Look at Hughes and Lafreniere. They sure as **** aren't hits yet. And "cornerstone" players? That's WAY premature.

And yes, a LD stud like Chychrun makes the D a Cup contending D. The forwards remain to be seen.
 
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Ok. So assuming Brown retires, pick 2 forwards to potentially lose, assuming only Byfield makes the team. If Turcotte. Fagemo, Madden, or others make the team...pick more forwards to lose.

Kopitar
Kempe
Danault
Iafallo
Arvidsson
Athanasiou
Moore
Kupari
Grundstrom
Lemieux
Lizotte
Kaliyev
Andersson
Vilardi
JAD

And on defense, pick 6 players to potentially lose:
Doughty
Anderson
Bjornfot
Roy
Durzi
Walker
Edler
Wolanin
Strand
Maatta
Nousiainen - no clue about
Moverare - no clue
Phillips - no clue

Oh, and NOBODY is a can't miss. Look at Hughes and Lafreniere. They sure as **** aren't hits yet. And "cornerstone" players? That's WAY premature.

And yes, a LD stud like Chychrun makes the D a Cup contending D. The forwards remain to be seen.


As it's all speculation by everyone. Gotta go, Yellowstone is on
 
As it's all speculation by everyone. Gotta go, Yellowstone is on

It's actually not speculation....at all...by anyone.

Waiver rules are waiver rules. They're not speculation or opinion. The Kings HAVE to put ALL those players on waivers and risk losing them.

You wanna play armchair GM? Pick who you might lose. Maybe after Yellowstone (which is weird to watch that when the Kings are on live).
 
When is the right time? They've already started losing guys (Clague) on waivers.

This is one thing i absolutely agree with. Kings need to start moving assets. If it's not for Chychrun, it needs to be for picks (or some other trade that makes sense).
 
My thinking is that Clarke, Turcotte, 2022 1st and 2023 1st or Kupari (or equivalent prospect) should be enough. The equivalent of 4 first rounders was the initial asking price for Eichel. Why wouldn?t that be enough for Chychrun?

BUT - if this is a thought experiment that says one of Mikey or Toby absolutely has to be included, I?ll admit you present it in as reasonable a way as it can be. And if it happened that way I?d be uncomfortable, whereas if it gets done without one of those two I?m over the moon. But I?m thinking I could live with it.

I have to say funny you bring up Allison. Dean used to highlight that trade as a bad move because while the team had a much improved top line center, it had a worse second line center and the team depth suffered. Then when that guy gets hurt you?re really screwed. Not quite the same situation, but it certainly influences my take.

that's way overpayment for Chychrun. I might, MIGHT, offer Kempe + Faber + 1st '22 + 1st '23 for Chychrun. Don't know if that gets him but that's all I'd offer. I think that's overpayment and in a couple years, we'll probably have our own Chychrun in Clarke, Faber, Grans, Durzi, who knows? All this talk about Chychrun is nonsense when you're trying to build an offense. I don't think you try to acquire him right now.
 
It's actually not speculation....at all...by anyone.

Waiver rules are waiver rules. They're not speculation or opinion. The Kings HAVE to put ALL those players on waivers and risk losing them.

You wanna play armchair GM? Pick who you might lose. Maybe after Yellowstone (which is weird to watch that when the Kings are on live).

You already asked me to and I did.
Yeah, Yellowstone (and many other things) matter more than the Kings.
I'm no GM, just a guy with his opinions. Just like you.
 
that's way overpayment for Chychrun. I might, MIGHT, offer Kempe + Faber + 1st '22 + 1st '23 for Chychrun. Don't know if that gets him but that's all I'd offer. I think that's overpayment and in a couple years, we'll probably have our own Chychrun in Clarke, Faber, Grans, Durzi, who knows? All this talk about Chychrun is nonsense when you're trying to build an offense. I don't think you try to acquire him right now.

You definitely try to acquire him now, and the Kings have already stated publicly they're looking for somebody like him. I dont see why Az would even want Kempe considering they appear to be dumping somebody younger and cost controlled for a few more years. Unless the Kings have some other target in mind, this is a move to go after.
 
Oh, and NOBODY is a can't miss. Look at Hughes and Lafreniere. They sure as **** aren't hits yet. And "cornerstone" players? That's WAY premature.

And yes, a LD stud like Chychrun makes the D a Cup contending D. The forwards remain to be seen.

Look at Hughes! He just got extended for 8 years for 8 million AAV. That's a losing move by Tom Fitzgerald.

And aside from maybe the Petersen extension something that Blake has been very good not to do-- put players on a pedestal and pay them like stars even though they have not shown in games that they actually are stars.
 
that's way overpayment for Chychrun. I might, MIGHT, offer Kempe + Faber + 1st '22 + 1st '23 for Chychrun. Don't know if that gets him but that's all I'd offer. I think that's overpayment and in a couple years, we'll probably have our own Chychrun in Clarke, Faber, Grans, Durzi, who knows? All this talk about Chychrun is nonsense when you're trying to build an offense. I don't think you try to acquire him right now.

Trading Kempe for a defenseman doesn’t work. Kings are already a player shy of a full top 6. They don’t need to go down 2.

You never know about prospects but I’m quite confident Faber is going to be an important part of the Kings for years to come, even likely as a third pairing guy. But as others have explained no way this deal gets done without Clarke or Byfield. And Byfield is not an option.

The reports are that the asking prices are “astronomical.” I believe it. Regarding timing, if Chychrun really is available then it is time. He won’t be available like this again.
 
that's way overpayment for Chychrun. I might, MIGHT, offer Kempe + Faber + 1st '22 + 1st '23 for Chychrun. Don't know if that gets him but that's all I'd offer. I think that's overpayment and in a couple years, we'll probably have our own Chychrun in Clarke, Faber, Grans, Durzi, who knows? All this talk about Chychrun is nonsense when you're trying to build an offense. I don't think you try to acquire him right now.

NONE of those are LD. Do you think LD is unimportant?
 
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