Elliotte Friedman: Chychrun May Be Available

jt said:
I do have tunnel vision because this is a tunnel question: trade for Chychrun and the cost it takes or don't. And if you don't, what DO you do to solve the problem with offense from D? It's easy for fans to say "well just trade less for Chychrun" or "well just trade for another dynamic young D." But HOW? WHO is that? Or just do nothing, hope that a current young Kings D fills that, and start losing guys like they lost Clague, or trade them for picks like the Rangers did with Andersson (7th overall pick for a 2nd rounder)? That sounds like terrible asset management to me.

That's why I posted in this thread in the first place...so yeah, that's the question. I appreciate you playing the game because that's what it all comes down to: what do us armchair GMs do when faced with the decision?
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Yeah, it's a tough spot for sure. I (me and myself) do not give up Clarke or Byfield. A top-5 protected 1st, a conditional 2nd for next year (can upgrade to a first if Chycky achieved certain benchmarks) and any 2/3 prospects not named Byfield or Clarke.

This is my an overpayment and is my version of giving to get. Would it be enough? Nobody knows. On the other boards I peruse, same thing.
 
santiclaws said:
Blake needs to get this done. This is the type of guy that never becomes available and is.
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And we have the assets to get it done, without completely mortgaging the future. The o Ly guy he shouldn?t include is QB.

If he can?t close the deal, the whole lot of them should be shown the door, Luc included.
 
jt said:
I forgot to respond to this part specifically.

I don't know Krebs in depth but I think he's a significantly better prospect than Turcotte. Also, Tuch's value is far more than Kupari and also more than Turcotte IMO.

So if it's really going to take an Eichel level package, I don't think Turcotte + Kupari + a 1st is anywhere close to Krebs + Tuch + a 1st (even with VGK getting a 3rd back).
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I think Turcotte and Krebs are comparable. Certainly Turcotte was drafted higher. He's also been stuck in the Kings development (or lack thereof) system. You are correct that Tuch > Kupari. But the Kings 1st is way more valuable than the Vegas first.

What if instead of Kupari, the Kings give up someone in the Kempe/Iafallo/Arvidsson bracket? Does that make the trade closer to Tuch?

I think Lisa Dillman's proposed package would get it done and I think the Kings have the most to give. 1st, Bjornfot, and 2 of Vilardi/Kupari/Turcotte. That is 4 first round assets.
 
How about this deal? Lol.

3. Jakob Chychrun, Arizona Coyotes
For the sake of Jakob Chychrun and him alone, the Coyotes should definitely try to trade the talented young blueliner.

It would definitely benefit Chychrun more than the organization to deal him, as 23-year-old rearguards who have top-pairing upside are hard to come by, but considering the abysmal state of Arizona's roster, trading him could really help accelerate the rebuild, too.

Chychrun carries a very affordable yearly cap hit of $4,600,000 through the 2024-25 campaign, and is coming off a season where he recorded 18 goals and 41 points in 56 contests. Arizona already holds eight draft picks through the first two rounds of the upcoming draft, and dealing Chychrun would certainly net it some more draft capital and prospects.

Mock Trade

Coyotes acquire: Rasmus Kupari, Trevor Moore, Los Angeles Kings 1st (2022), Los Angeles Kings 2nd (2023)

Kings acquire: Jakob Chychrun, San Jose Sharks 4th (2024)

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-nhl-players-who-should-be-dealt-trade-deadline-155005916.html
 
Kurisu said:
How about this deal? Lol.

3. Jakob Chychrun, Arizona Coyotes
For the sake of Jakob Chychrun and him alone, the Coyotes should definitely try to trade the talented young blueliner.

It would definitely benefit Chychrun more than the organization to deal him, as 23-year-old rearguards who have top-pairing upside are hard to come by, but considering the abysmal state of Arizona's roster, trading him could really help accelerate the rebuild, too.

Chychrun carries a very affordable yearly cap hit of $4,600,000 through the 2024-25 campaign, and is coming off a season where he recorded 18 goals and 41 points in 56 contests. Arizona already holds eight draft picks through the first two rounds of the upcoming draft, and dealing Chychrun would certainly net it some more draft capital and prospects.

Mock Trade

Coyotes acquire: Rasmus Kupari, Trevor Moore, Los Angeles Kings 1st (2022), Los Angeles Kings 2nd (2023)

Kings acquire: Jakob Chychrun, San Jose Sharks 4th (2024)

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-nhl-players-who-should-be-dealt-trade-deadline-155005916.html
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I love the inclusion of the 4th rounder in the proposal.

Make the 2023 pick a first rounder, drop the San Jose 4th rounder, swap Moore with Vilardi and maybe we could have a deal.
 
hokiecat said:
I think Turcotte and Krebs are comparable. Certainly Turcotte was drafted higher. He's also been stuck in the Kings development (or lack thereof) system. You are correct that Tuch > Kupari. But the Kings 1st is way more valuable than the Vegas first.

What if instead of Kupari, the Kings give up someone in the Kempe/Iafallo/Arvidsson bracket? Does that make the trade closer to Tuch?

I think Lisa Dillman's proposed package would get it done and I think the Kings have the most to give. 1st, Bjornfot, and 2 of Vilardi/Kupari/Turcotte. That is 4 first round assets.
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I would do this deal
 
Kurisu said:
How about this deal? Lol.

3. Jakob Chychrun, Arizona Coyotes
For the sake of Jakob Chychrun and him alone, the Coyotes should definitely try to trade the talented young blueliner.

It would definitely benefit Chychrun more than the organization to deal him, as 23-year-old rearguards who have top-pairing upside are hard to come by, but considering the abysmal state of Arizona's roster, trading him could really help accelerate the rebuild, too.

Chychrun carries a very affordable yearly cap hit of $4,600,000 through the 2024-25 campaign, and is coming off a season where he recorded 18 goals and 41 points in 56 contests. Arizona already holds eight draft picks through the first two rounds of the upcoming draft, and dealing Chychrun would certainly net it some more draft capital and prospects.

Mock Trade

Coyotes acquire: Rasmus Kupari, Trevor Moore, Los Angeles Kings 1st (2022), Los Angeles Kings 2nd (2023)

Kings acquire: Jakob Chychrun, San Jose Sharks 4th (2024)

https://sports.yahoo.com/10-nhl-players-who-should-be-dealt-trade-deadline-155005916.html
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How on earth does Yahoo find these guys?
 
It shouldn’t take Kempe, AI, or Arvy to get this done. Yotes are in full tear-down and tank mode and by the time they’re competitive (or something) two of those guys will be done with their current contracts and past-prime. Kempe will have entered UFA age. AZ is all about futures right now.

Probably wishful thinking, but I wonder if Vilardi could actually be a piece in this deal. He’s not in Lias with Rangers territory just yet. Points alone last year wasn’t a disaster and he’s putting points up in ONT right now.
 
Clif said:
It shouldn’t take Kempe, AI, or Arvy to get this done. Yotes are in full tear-down and tank mode and by the time they’re competitive (or something) two of those guys will be done with their current contracts and past-prime. Kempe will have entered UFA age. AZ is all about futures right now.

Probably wishful thinking, but I wonder if Vilardi could actually be a piece in this deal. He’s not in Lias with Rangers territory just yet. Points alone last year wasn’t a disaster and he’s putting points up in ONT right now.
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yeah, i see no way AZ does this trade looking for a guy like the three you mentioned. This has to be for picks, prospects, guys on ELC basically. Doesnt make any sense to trade him for somebody else either making, or about to make, the same or more money.
 
The only real reason this guy should be on the market is because he pissed off their owners with those comments, or because he's done there. Maybe both. Regardless that means analysis of dollars coming back might be moot, other than the internal budget of Zona.
 
jammer06 said:
The only real reason this guy should be on the market is because he pissed off their owners with those comments, or because he's done there. Maybe both. Regardless that means analysis of dollars coming back might be moot, other than the internal budget of Zona.
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given the issues with paying the arena and getting kicked out, coupled with the (unsubstantiated) rumors of a possible move, I could see why dollars might be a contributing factor. Personally, i think he's probably demanded a trade. I cant see some negative comments (i havent seen them) being a reason to get the boot.
 
I saw on HNIC tonight that Klingberg has asked for a trade. He's looking for 8 years, 63 million and Stars don't have the room. Blake should see what it takes to get this done. Dallas is probably spending too much on Lindell and Suter rather than paying their star players. The Kings would be overloaded on RD (or you could say they could run a top pair guy all the time).
 
From Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek on HNIC: ”What the Coyotes are looking for is a young player, a high-end prospect plus a first-round pick.”

To me, that’s actually a pretty reasonable price to pay!
 
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emsomaso said:
From Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek on Hockey Night In Canada: ”What the Coyotes are looking for is a young player, a high-end prospect plus a first-round pick.”

To me, that’s actually a pretty reasonable price to pay!
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i think thats what most of us have been saying. Certainly its probably been bid up from there. Kings definitely have the assets to win this one.
 
Helvetica said:
Certainly its probably been bid up from there.
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You’re for sure correct on that part! This is from the same source: ”I can confirm that at least 10 teams in the NHL have made enquiries about Jakob Chychrun”
 
emsomaso said:
From Sportsnet’s Jeff Marek on HNIC: ”What the Coyotes are looking for is a young player, a high-end prospect plus a first-round pick.”

To me, that’s actually a pretty reasonable price to pay!
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If that's all their ask is, it's beyond a no-brainer for the Kings.

Their pick of Turcotte, Vilardi, or even Clarke
2022 1st
Any other prospect not named Byfield or Kaliyev (although evaluations of Chromiak and Fagemo could change that).
 
Werenski. Whatever the cost! Not sure if the Kings can figure out the cap long term, but I would think so.
 
I'm not so sure Klinberg would be such a good idea. He's going to need a big-money, long-term deal and he's 29 already.
 
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