Elliotte Friedman: Chychrun May Be Available

jt said:
It does create a hole but if not getting Bjornfot back to replace Chychrun on the left side is a deal breaker for Arizona, do you not make the deal? Keep in mind there will be lots of depth LD available as UFAs. While very few high end UFAs sign with the Kings, getting a 3rd pairing LD like Leddy, De Haan, or Kulak shouldn't be too hard. Or maybe a more physical LD like Hagg to play with Durzi.



Because the Coyotes might require a top 4 LD back.



Agree 100% on tapping that resource in trades. But IMO, that's more likely to be for a high end natural scorer. Or a deal with a team heavy on LD (with a high end one they can trade) and light on RD. But I can't find a team like that.
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Dumpster diving to replace Bjornfot becomes subtraction by addition. No thanks.
 
VCRW said:
Dumpster diving to replace Bjornfot becomes subtraction by addition. No thanks.
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Ok, so let's say the Coyotes won't do the deal if they don't get a top 4 LD as a replacement for Chychrun. And let's say you don't do the deal because trading Bjornfot is a deal-breaker. Here's the list of LD 26 and under. Tell me how you get a young dynamic LD.

Or do you just go into next season with Anderson, Bjornfot, and Moverare (or Nousiainen or move Walker to LD)?

Miro Heiskanen
Thomas Chabot
Quinn Hughes
Ivan Provorov
Joshua Morrissey
Rasmus Dahlin
Shea Theodore
Zachary Werenski
Samuel Girard
Noah Hanifin
Mikhail Sergachev
Travis Sanheim
Jakob Chychrun
Marcus Pettersson
Vince Dunn
Nikita Zadorov
Ryan Graves
Ryan Lindgren
Vladislav Gavrikov
Gustav Forsling
Jake Bean
Robert H?gg
Juuso V?lim?ki
Travis Dermott
Riley Stillman
Haydn Fleury
Victor Mete
Jacob Larsson
Jonas Siegenthaler
Shakir Mukhamadullin
K'Andre Miller
Jacob Christiansen
Wyatt Kalynuk
Zachary Jones
Jack Ahcan
Michael Anderson
Mario Ferraro
Cameron Lee
Scott Perunovich
Dylan Samberg
David Farrance
Cole Hults
Carson Lambos
Ryan Shea
Mattias Samuelsson
Jack Rathbone
Tim Berni
Brinson Pasichnuk
Connor Mackey
Logan Stanley
Dennis Cholowski
Olen Zellweger
Layton Ahac
Rasmus Sandin
Bowen Byram
Urho Vaakanainen
Kaiden Guhle
Alexander Romanov
Tobias Bj?rnfot
Jacob Bryson
Ryan O'Rourke
Janis Moser
Peter Diliberatore
Cam York
Libor H?jek
Nolan Allan
Yan Kuznetsov
Stanislav Svozil
Samuel Knazko
Daniil Chayka
Jakub Galvas
Alexander Alexeyev
Pierre-Olivier Joseph
Ville Heinola
Nicolas Beaudin
Erik Br?nnstr?m
Thomas Harley
Ty Smith
Philip Broberg
Mattias Norlinder
Isaak Phillips
Artem Grushnikov
Matt Kiersted
John Ludvig
Chad Krys
Max Gildon
Daemon Hunt
Santeri Hatakka
Eemil Viro
Donovan Sebrango
Marc Del Gaizo
Michael Vukojevic
J?r?my Lauzon
Caleb Jones
Gianni Fairbrother
Ole Julian Bj?rgvik Holm
J?r?mie Poirier
Vladislav Provolnev
Samuel Bolduc
Robin Salo
Cooper Zech
Arber Xhekaj
Ilya Solovyov
Dmitri Samorukov
Ronan Seeley
Albert Johansson
Dmitri Kuzmin
Mason Millman
Markus Niemel?inen
Declan Chisholm
Linus H?gberg
Dmitri Semykin
Lukas Cormier
Filip Kr?l
Niclas Almari
Tarmo Reunanen
Simon Benoit
Tyler Tucker
Zackary Hayes
Jesper Sellgren
Brendan Guhle
Matthew Robertson
Markus Phillips
Nikolai Knyzhov
Kevin Bahl
Nicolas Hague
Martin Feh?rv?ry
Fedor Gordeev
Nikita Okhotyuk
Vladislav Kolyachonok
Artemi Kniazev
Niko Mikkola
Kristians Rubins
Kyle Capobianco
Tobias Geisser
Jonathan Aspirot
Jared McIsaac
Kale Clague
Yegor Zamula
Jimmy Schuldt
Colton Poolman
Christian Wolanin
Dillon Heatherington
Josh Mahura
Joe Hicketts
Sami Niku
Benjamin Gleason
Andreas Borgman
Dennis Gilbert
Jerad Rosburg
Cavan Fitzgerald
Jeremy Davies
Jacob Moverare
Cam Dineen
Colton White
Corey Schueneman
Nick Wolff
Devante Stephens
Olli Juolevi
Maxime Lajoie
Oliver Kylington
Lucas Johansen
Lucas Carlsson
Bobby Nardella
Sean Day
Samuel Morin
Guillaume Brisebois
J?r?my Groleau
Keaton Middleton
Jacob Middleton
Gabriel Carlsson
Mason Geertsen
Sami Niku
Sebastian Aho
Parker Wotherspoon
Mitch Vande Sompel
Jake Walman
Teemu Kivihalme
William Lagesson
Jakub Zboril
 
Jt: your reality it really getting in the way of my positive vibes (a comment not a critique)and since everything outside of this board is scary, bad or horrifying...i'm sticking with jokes. Ahem!

jt said:
Ok, so let's say the Coyotes won't do the deal if they don't get a top 4 LD as a replacement for Chychrun. And let's say you don't do the deal because trading Bjornfot is a deal-breaker. Here's the list of LD 26 and under. Tell me how you get a young dynamic LD.
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The sooner Chychrun gets moved the better it will be for everyone here. Then again that starts another thread of whom Blake might have offered and why the Coyotes refused. It's a vicious cycle. Might as well keep this one going.
 
jt said:
Kempe ($5M) - Kopitar ($10M) - Kaliyev ($.9M)
Iafallo ($4M) - Byfield ($.9M) - Vilardi ($.9M)
Moore ($1.9M) - Danault - ($5.5M) - Arvidsson ($4.2M)
Lemieux ($2.5M) - Lizotte ($1M) - Fagemo ($.8M)
Scratches: Grundstr?m ($1M), Andersson ($.9M)

Anderson ($2.5M) - Doughty ($11M)
Bj?rnfot ($.9M) - Durzi ($2M)
Walker ($2.7M) - Clarke ($.9M)
Scratch: Moverare ($.8M)

Quick ($5.8M)
Petersen ($5M)

Cap hit: $75M
Cap space: $6.5M

Players who are gone:
Brown ($5.9M)
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So?was it the EDM game that did it?
 
VCRW said:
Including Bjornfot in a trade package is seriously poor planning for a team that is already woefully short on left shot defensemen. If Maatta and Edler are not re-signed, who then becomes the third LD? Moverare? Wolanin? And if one of the left shot guys goes down with an injury who then gets the call? Gaunce? Phillips? Kasastul? Nielsen?

Chychrun, Anderson, and Bjornfot would be a solid lineup on the left side. Any combination without Bjornfot is weaker. Why create a hole to fill a hole?

Kings are ridiculously wealthy in right shot defense players/prospects. That is the resource that needs to be tapped. Sending away the team?s most promising young LD to acquire another LD makes very little sense to me. Trading Durzi would be less damaging to the roster strength.
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I was on the same page. Cited the Allison trade as the classic example. 1st line got better and 2nd got worse. Then the injury really salted the wound.

But jt had me come around on trading Bjornfot. I agree with him that if Chychrun and Doughty are playing nearly 45-50 a night the time the third LD plays is more forgiving. Plus I?m in the camp that just says you don?t trade Clarke in this one so Bjornfot for me is a risk I?d personally be comfortable with. But is definitely a risk.
 
VCRW said:
Dumpster diving to replace Bjornfot becomes subtraction by addition. No thanks.
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I'm not following you. Chychrun would be replacing Bjornfot in this trade scenario. So how is trading a LD for a better LD "subtraction by addition"?
 
santiclaws said:
I'm not following you. Chychrun would be replacing Bjornfot in this trade scenario. So how is trading a LD for a better LD "subtraction by addition"?
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I'm confused also because I thought it was Division by Multiplication divided by pi.

jom
 
santiclaws said:
I'm not following you. Chychrun would be replacing Bjornfot in this trade scenario. So how is trading a LD for a better LD "subtraction by addition"?
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I’m just jt’s straight man…

But seriously, I do grudgingly accede to his argument about potential TOI for the 5/6 guys.

And just when I thought we had seen everything from Mikey Anderson, he starts adding much more physicality to his game. Both his hip checks and his gap control have really improved since Christmas. I still see a higher career ceiling from Toby, and I remember how well he and Drew played together in Toby’s initial season.

I would explore every other option before losing Bjornfot simply because the LD depth chart currently abruptly ends at Moverare.
 
VCRW said:
I’m just jt’s straight man…

But seriously, I do grudgingly accede to his argument about potential TOI for the 5/6 guys.

And just when I thought we had seen everything from Mikey Anderson, he starts adding much more physicality to his game. Both his hip checks and his gap control have really improved since Christmas. I still see a higher career ceiling from Toby, and I remember how well he and Drew played together in Toby’s initial season.

I would explore every other option before losing Bjornfot simply because the LD depth chart currently abruptly ends at Moverare.
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I agree with you in that I would prefer the Kings keep Bjornfot in any deal for Chychrun and also that Toby is likely to get better. But I would still like the upgrade at LD if the only way is to trade him. And I would keep Clarke over Bjornfot as well. I think he can be a poor man's Makar.
 
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