Hiller Hotseat Thread

Moog said:
Rob did.
Luc agrees.

The front office backed this guy, even after his horrific failure in the playoffs.

They backed him so much so that they threw Rob under the bus to keep him.


Imagine a front office of two guys. Guy one and two. Guy one and two agree together to hire third guy because they love him so much.

Third guy goes on to fail so epically at his job.

Guy one looks at guy two after third guy does a horrible job and says: “Third guy is doing a horrible job. I wanna keep him, but you’re fired.

Makes no sense.

Kings fans: This is how your front office conducts business.

Stop giving them your money.
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Makes no sense is spot on.

The front office doesn’t give a **** about the fans. The players will always be mercenaries but the front office they’re supposed to be different. They’re supposed to want to win in part to reward the community where the team has roots. But they simply don’t give a damn about us any longer.
 
Statue4Deano said:
Makes no sense is spot on.

The front office doesn’t give a **** about the fans. The players will always be mercenaries but the front office they’re supposed to be different. They’re supposed to want to win in part to reward the community where the team has roots. But they simply don’t give a damn about us any longer.
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Ownership is probably tired of paying two head coaches at the same time (one to sit on the beach) and does not want to agree to the term required to land a top end head coach.

Totally opinion, but it also seems like Luc tends to back people he can control. Bring in a top coach like Quenneville and we know that would not be the case.
 
DryKing said:
Ownership is probably tired of paying two head coaches at the same time (one to sit on the beach) and does not want to agree to the term required to land a top end head coach.

Totally opinion, but it also seems like Luc tends to back people he can control. Bring in a top coach like Quenneville and we know that would not be the case.
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At this point I accept the mediocrity and will pay attention from afar until we make some drastic changes.
 
Statue4Deano said:
Makes no sense is spot on.

The front office doesn’t give a **** about the fans. The players will always be mercenaries but the front office they’re supposed to be different. They’re supposed to want to win in part to reward the community where the team has roots. But they simply don’t give a damn about us any longer.
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I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the FO never cared about the fans to begin with. At least not for a decade plus.

What you speak of is a bygone era. Sure there are a few owners left who care about the fans and winning, and care about the city, but they are a dying breed.

Modern day pro sports ownership adopts the private equity business model. It’s all about $$$ and how much they can appreciate the asset, while sucking as much money out of the fan.

It’s all about holding on and eventually flipping/ selling the franchise for insane $$$. You don’t get into ownership to win, you get in for the huge profit when you sell.

Like the cancer that private equity is for acquiring businesses, so to has become the model for owning pro sports teams.

At some point fans have to begin to realize “What’s in it for me?”
 
Moog said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the FO never cared about the fans to begin with. At least not for a decade plus.

What you speak of is a bygone era. Sure there are a few owners left who care about the fans and winning, and care about the city, but they are a dying breed.

Modern day pro sports ownership adopts the private equity business model. It’s all about $$$ and how much they can appreciate the asset, while sucking as much money out of the fan.

It’s all about holding on and eventually flipping/ selling the franchise for insane $$$. You don’t get into ownership to win, you get in for the huge profit when you sell.

Like the cancer that private equity is for acquiring businesses, so to has become the model for owning pro sports teams.

At some point fans have to begin to realize “What’s in it for me?”
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But...private equity being used for business acquisition and eventually selling said business for profit is the pinnacle of capitalism and a generator of progress! What are you, a socialist?!

/s
 
Moog said:
I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but the FO never cared about the fans to begin with. At least not for a decade plus.

What you speak of is a bygone era. Sure there are a few owners left who care about the fans and winning, and care about the city, but they are a dying breed.

Modern day pro sports ownership adopts the private equity business model. It’s all about $$$ and how much they can appreciate the asset, while sucking as much money out of the fan.

It’s all about holding on and eventually flipping/ selling the franchise for insane $$$. You don’t get into ownership to win, you get in for the huge profit when you sell.

Like the cancer that private equity is for acquiring businesses, so to has become the model for owning pro sports teams.

At some point fans have to begin to realize “What’s in it for me?”
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All true.

It’s what makes the Dodgers (and now Lakers) ownership model so unique. A private equity model led by a decision maker who actually sees winning as the best way to serve the business interests of the fund while strengthening ties to community the teams are rooted in. The Dodgers are as focused on winning as any pro sports team in history and they have endless resources to make that happen. Will this always be the case with their ownership group? Nope but right now it’s great to be a Dodgers fan. I just want a fraction of that for the Kings.

What’s interesting about the current Kings ownership group is they are seemingly hands off about the on-ice day-to-day decisions. Unfortunately we’ve experienced the downside of a semi-absentee owner for the last decade. They’ve left Luc to operate the Kings as his own fiefdom and it turns out Luc doesn’t know how to re-build ****.
 
Clif said:
I think the private equity model checks out, but I believe Luc wants to win just as much as anyone in the Dodgers’ office wants to. He just sucks at his job.
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Dodgers also have infinitely more fans, funds and demand. No one cares about hockey really in California. As my uncle once explained, so if by chance crypto collapsed and all fans parished, could the Kings mgt replace this 18k ticket holders?
 
Clif said:
I think the private equity model checks out, but I believe Luc wants to win just as much as anyone in the Dodgers’ office wants to. He just sucks at his job.
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If Luc cared about the Kings winning another cup he’d step down tomorrow. Luc cares about being in charge. Winning would be nice but certainly not a necessity.
 
MiketheKing said:
Dodgers also have infinitely more fans, funds and demand. No one cares about hockey really in California. As my uncle once explained, so if by chance crypto collapsed and all fans parished, could the Kings mgt replace this 18k ticket holders?
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The stakes are lower in the NHL but there’s a built in advantage for ownership with the salary cap. The issue is nobody has figured out how to dominate off the field (ice) like the Dodgers are doing right now.

Once an NHL owner/front office figures out to how find the edge outside of the rink, where there is no salary cap restraining spending, you’ll see a dominant run longer than any team has in the salary cap era (Blackhawks, Penguins & Lightning).
 
Comparing any baseball ownership to the NHL is folly. Pro hockey might be the toughest sport to achieve any kind of dynastic dominance in. It takes the perfect balance of top and balanced roleplaying talent get through the postseason in the NHL, and that's before factoring in the sorcery, witchcraft and psychiatry of goaltending are addressed.
 
Anyone heard any scuttlebutt about TO? Are we believing the illness story?

If he is not in the lineup, I am thinking he will be traded by game time tomorrow. Kings need cap space to make big moves so I would certainly understand if Holland moves him.

But it would still suck because I know Trevor and he is a really good person - and a damn good hockey player.
 
Statue4Deano said:
If Luc cared about the Kings winning another cup he’d step down tomorrow. Luc cares about being in charge. Winning would be nice but certainly not a necessity.
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The best LW in league history cares about winning. Lots of people are bad at their jobs and don’t get punished for it.

More playoff success equals more money. Of the major sports, hockey is more dependent on gate revenue by far than any of them. So even from a “holding on to power, just care about money” perspective, Luc and everyone else cares about winning.

They just suck. It’s enough to say they just suck.
 
Clif said:
I think the private equity model checks out, but I believe Luc wants to win just as much as anyone in the Dodgers’ office wants to. He just sucks at his job.
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The problem is he wants to win just enough to keep his employers happy (by keeping the butts in the seats and getting to the playoffs), all while avoiding rebuilds/retools like plague and also avoiding upsetting the casuals (meaning DD will very unlikely be traded for as long as he remains in serviceable form, especially after the ill-received trade of JQ even when he was in a disastrous form).

Building a proper contender takes a lot of time with reduced profits and lowered team ownership value and, sadly, also bears significant risk of becoming the Sabres or BJs instead of a success story.

And if there's a generational talent in a draft that could potentailly put butts in the seats for thet foreseeable future there's always the lottery there to potentially screw you, so even if that's the potential upside of tanking the owners are still very wary of it, especially if the team as is is (theoretically) capable of reaching the playoffs.
 
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