Clif
Super Star
Who else should Blake have traded Faber for?
Fiala is in the 3rd year of a 7 year contract.
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Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
That's the point - if we weren't going to achieve success, should have kept Faber as one of the future premiere dmen for the organization.
Clif
Super Star
You’re not going to have Doughty, Faber, and Clarke all on this team. Who do you trade Clarke for? See where this is going?
Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
Clif
Super Star
Long enough you’re not having those three fighting for minutes. He has three years left. Who’s taking his contract back? And do you really think there’s an appetite to trade him?
Fiala was the most valuable offensive player available for trade that summer. You’re writing him off because the Kings didn’t beat the Oilers in the two years that he’s been here for the playoffs. The first of which was injured for 2-3 games. Btw, he wasn’t on the ice for any of those goals against in the game 4 meltdown that likely cost this team the series.
And all of this is based on the asymmetrical premise that you people insist Faber would sign here because he was quoted as being devastated in a single paywall article while ignoring the reality he didn’t sign and became a risky asset. I can admit maybe he would have signed here, you cannot admit he may not have. And for that one article about being devastated, he was sure happy when talking to the media the very next day after the trade. Just devastated.
DryKing
Power Forward
Fiala was also only around 25 at the time and entering into his prime years, so when he was acquired he filled both the role of being a catalyst in the present and building block for the future. Additionally, he was coming off a point per game rate. In all honesty, Blake was able to acquire and sign him for less than market value.
I was pretty upset when I heard Faber was going back the other other, but with Doughty and Roy both on the roster at the time, I would have taken Fiala over Faber and still would. Your point is valid that there are not enough minutes to properly distribute between Doughty, Clarke, and Faber and likely not enough between Doughty and Faber alone. The only solution would be to move Doughty which would have likely taken the Kings retaining a large part of his salary and it's hard to think the Organization had an appetite to move him in the first place. Even if they did, however, all that blows up upon Faber's first contract extension.
In the end, it's simply a trade that has worked out for both teams.
Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
Sorry I don’t see this ‘fighting for minutes’ argument you are coming up with.
And FYI, Faber didn’t sign with MIN for a year after he was traded
JayWells24
Top Forward
I still have nightmares about that aforementioned game 4 meltdown :-(
Yeah, he hated playing in Minnesota so much he signed for 8 years. The guy that wrote "devastated" clearly made that up. Moreover, it wasn't that Minnesota wanted him so bad, it was because Blake went to Guerin because he know that Faber could easily walk away and Guerin was about to lose Fiala for nothing. No other team was going to return anything much for Faber.
Clif
Super Star
Yes…because he was traded in the summer…after having already committed to another college year…which is precisely why Blake traded him because he chose college over signing with the Kings when offered.You’re making me post this again. The below picture was taken when Faber was still a Kings prospect. Don’t think Guerin was sweating Faber’s commitment to the Wild.
We’re going to deep dive on this. Think about how many minutes Doughty still demands. Think about how many minutes Faber plays in MN. Consider that Clarke will soon enough demand more minutes. Like Faber, he is a number one caliber defenseman, he’s just younger. Come next year, there’s not enough minutes for all three of them. Also, don’t assume this is Doughty’s last contract.
This is why I asked who you trade Clarke for. You evaded that. But more importantly, it’s a matter of recognizing what you’re saying. It’s very easy and incomplete to say Blake should have simply held onto Faber. But no move or non-move exists in a vacuum. If you keep Faber (again provided he signed here), you’re trading Clarke.
Now, you may also make the easy-on-a-message-board argument that Blake could trade Doughty. Sure Clarke and Faber would be a profound (and expensive) one-two punch for years to come, though both would want to be THE guy, not number 2. So solve that riddle.
But back to Doughty. I asked you who takes his contract. You deflected by asking how long I think he’ll be playing. Til at least 26-27 is the answer because that’s his current contract. Or do you think the guy who is begging to play in the 4 Nations tournament right now is going to hang it up early?
Some may say Blake should have done a total rebuild and traded away Kopitar and Doughty. Problem is he traded everyone else. No rebuilding GM ever trades every single core player. They always keep a couple for culture, mentorship, and for ownership’s bottom line. Rebuilds are risky as they are. If GMs actually get the green light, they need to keep some fan favorites around for stability and for marketing. Considering Doughty is the most marketable player they have, the entire idea of trading him as always lacked a a trace of reality.
Of course you didn’t even get into all that, you just said Blake always should have kept Faber. So, tell me what else your vision looks like. Because again, nothing exists in a vacuum.
Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
My point was never that Blake should have kept Faber….i actually thought it was a good trade at the time. Point is, none of Blake’s swings are yielding success THAT IS A PROBLEM.
You’re making me post this again. The below picture was taken when Faber was still a Kings prospect. Don’t think Guerin was sweating Faber’s commitment to the Wild.
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We’re going to deep dive on this. Think about how many minutes Doughty still demands. Think about how many minutes Faber plays in MN. Consider that Clarke will soon enough demand more minutes. Like Faber, he is a number one caliber defenseman, he’s just younger. Come next year, there’s not enough minutes for all three of them. Also, don’t assume this is Doughty’s last contract.
This is why I asked who you trade Clarke for. You evaded that. But more importantly, it’s a matter of recognizing what you’re saying. It’s very easy and incomplete to say Blake should have simply held onto Faber. But no move or non-move exists in a vacuum. If you keep Faber (again provided he signed here), you’re trading Clarke.
Now, you may also make the easy-on-a-message-board argument that Blake could trade Doughty. Sure Clarke and Faber would be a profound (and expensive) one-two punch for years to come, though both would want to be THE guy, not number 2. So solve that riddle.
But back to Doughty. I asked you who takes his contract. You deflected by asking how long I think he’ll be playing. Til at least 26-27 is the answer because that’s his current contract. Or do you think the guy who is begging to play in the 4 Nations tournament right now is going to hang it up early?
Some may say Blake should have done a total rebuild and traded away Kopitar and Doughty. Problem is he traded everyone else. No rebuilding GM ever trades every single core player. They always keep a couple for culture, mentorship, and for ownership’s bottom line. Rebuilds are risky as they are. If GMs actually get the green light, they need to keep some fan favorites around for stability and for marketing. Considering Doughty is the most marketable player they have, the entire idea of trading him as always lacked a a trace of reality.
Of course you didn’t even get into all that, you just said Blake always should have kept Faber. So, tell me what else your vision looks like. Because again, nothing exists in a vacuum.
If we keep losing massively talented ‘kids’ without winning playoff rounds, something is wrong. Who’s next for the big playoff push, Greentree? You have enough faith in this team for that? It’s coming….
Clif
Super Star
Would you like to read your own words?
Faber and Vilardi are the outliers. Blake has not traded Byfield, Clarke, Turcotte, Laffierre, Spence, Thomas, Helenius, Lee, Moverare, JAD, Clague, Bjornfot, Fagemo, Madden, Pinelli, Chromiak, Ziemmer, Jamsen, or Kaliyev.
It’s actually one of Blake’s shortcomings in that he has held on too long for some players to the point they lose all value. You may notice he tried to trade some of the above, though it got too late. There is no precedent to be confident that Greentree will be traded.
Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
Faber and Vilardi are the best players out of that entire group...lol.
Clif
Super Star
Apparently you have no shortage of rakes to step on, so that tells me I need to stop spelling everything out for you. Good talk.
Madness20721
Top Forward
Rob Blake needs to do something at the trade deadline to shore up the defense. Getting Mikey back would be helpful, but I think we need more help on the D-Line.
DryKing
Power Forward
Hopefully he addresses that in the offseason as I'd hate to see him give up more picks or players that we can continue to build on for a rental. As you mentioned, Mikey coming back plus Drew getting his form back are probably the best we can hope for this season. No need to waste assets unless what we are getting back is a player that fits with us long term. Blake also doesn't have a great track record when it comes to trades.
The exception would be a player such as Owen Power who Buffalo is allegedly open to moving. I'd also still like to pluck Pickering from Pitts but acquiring him wouldn't do much to help us this season. I still think we cannot do much as long as Doughty's inflated contact remains on the ledger.
It's time for Blake to start keeping his drafts picks and actually focus on building the pipeline as we will need to fill the void through low cost players with high upward potential.
Axl Rhoadz
3rd Line Winger
Hell yah
Madness20721
Top Forward
Blake made no moves at all last season, which guaranteed a first round exit against the Oilers again. Not that anything he could have done would have changed that, but not doing anything was like throwing up the white flag before the playoffs began. A lot of people would ask what I would have done, but I'm not a GM in the NHL...it's not my job as a fan to advise Rob Blake. Best move he's made is getting rid of PLD and getting Kuemper.
