Marner Watch

[05/29/93]

I find myself still wondering about the 2013 season and playoff run. In theory the lock out shortened regular season should’ve played right into their hands perfectly but I don’t think that 2013 squad ever found their legs.

And I’ll never understand why Lombardi didn’t try to add another winger at the deadline. Instead he paid through the nose for Robyn Regehr. Classic Dean.

By the time they got to the Blackhawks in the WCF, they were too banged up. Nobody was beating Chicago that year, and the Kings did very well to get that far.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Well that bodes well for everyone else waiting for July 1st to come.
The 4 vs 7 year deal is interesting. Is that to ensure he doesn't get locked in with a team he sours on, or if he stays healthy and progresses his game, he can really cash in at 32 with another 4 year contract ...

The 2nd part.

If that’s true I wonder if a team could get really creative and offer him a opt out (mutual termination) after 4 years. It’s never been done in the NHL but it happens in MLB/NBA all the time.

The problem is a contract can’t be mutually terminated until the player passes through unconditional waivers. Would a team claim Marner if he’s on unconditional waivers? No player has ever been claimed on unconditional waivers.

 

[santiclaws]

The 2nd part.

If that’s true I wonder if a team could get really creative and offer him a opt out (mutual termination) after 4 years. It’s never been done in the NHL but it happens in MLB/NBA all the time.

The problem is a contract can’t be mutually terminated until the player passes through unconditional waivers. Would a team claim Marner if he’s on unconditional waivers? No player has ever been claimed on unconditional waivers.

I don't know that the CBA allows opt-out clauses. And that's not a mutual termination, that's a one-party termination by definition, even if both parties have the opt-out option.

 

[McSorleyFan]

The 2nd part.

If that’s true I wonder if a team could get really creative and offer him a opt out (mutual termination) after 4 years. It’s never been done in the NHL but it happens in MLB/NBA all the time.

The problem is a contract can’t be mutually terminated until the player passes through unconditional waivers. Would a team claim Marner if he’s on unconditional waivers? No player has ever been claimed on unconditional waivers.

Did a bit of digging on this. Interesting ...

• No "mutual opt-outs" mid-contract
  NHL Standard Player Contracts (SPCs) are binding unless specific clauses (e.g., buyouts, terminations, or performance-based opt-outs in rare entry-level deals) are written in. There’s no standard mechanism for a mutual opt-out like in some other leagues (e.g., NBA).
• Contract Termination (Unconditional Waivers)
  A team and player can mutually agree to terminate a contract, but:
  
  • The player must clear unconditional waivers.
  • Once terminated, the player becomes an unrestricted free agent.
  • The player cannot re-sign with the same team during that same season (until July 1) under CBA rules (Article 13.23 of the NHL CBA), to prevent cap circumvention.
• Buyouts (Offseason Only)
  
  • Teams can buy out a contract during a specified offseason window.
  • Comes with cap penalties.
  • Player becomes a free agent, but same-team re-signing is restricted by timing and rules.

 

[symbology]

All good points.

I’m higher on signing Marner than most simply because players of his caliber are almost never available in free agency and when they are LA is never their preferred destination.

I believe it’s easier and cheaper to find the other complimentary pieces than find those extremely necessary productive players like Marner (Jeff Carter/Marian Gaborik). I love Kempe and most nights I like Fiala but neither one of those two are on the level of Marner. Adding Marner raises the ceiling on the roster.

Yeah, I am kind of the same way. Want a top tier player, go get him. If they get him, okay we will see how that changes things. If they do not get him, we will still see how this team changes.

 

[symbology]

If this has not been posted yet. Good history on Marner's history with the Leafs.

 

[orpheus]

I sometimes miss the non cap era when yearly rates were crazy for top UFA, but they didn't always have to get end of career terms.

20 mil, but only 3 years! Let's go!

 

[hokiecat]

The resiliency of the 2014 team is almost completely forgotten beyond coming back from 0-3 vs. the Sharks.

True story:
I was out for a walk at lunch when we were down 3-0 and I saw Dean walking outside TSC, looking glum, and smoking. I never knew the dude smoked. I asked him if he followed the America's Cup. He said he didn't. I told him that the USA Team was down 1-8 and had to win 8 straight to take the title. All the Kings needed to was win 4 straight which would be half as difficult. He smiled a little bit and told me "thanks buddy" and then resumed his walk.
The rest is history.

 

[symbology]

True story:
I was out for a walk at lunch when we were down 3-0 and I saw Dean walking outside TSC, looking glum, and smoking. I never knew the dude smoked. I asked him if he followed the America's Cup. He said he didn't. I told him that the USA Team was down 1-8 and had to win 8 straight to take the title. All the Kings needed to was win 4 straight which would be half as difficult. He smiled a little bit and told me "thanks buddy" and then resumed his walk.
The rest is history.

That year I recalled a skid the Kings had back in December. The team just kind of fell a part for 3-4 games. I saw the first 3 games agains the Sharks as the same weird slump. I was confident that they would come back and win that series. I remember telling my buddy, I am not worried. Of course I was not 100% sure they were going to pull it off. I just had this feeling that it was the Kings that were losing those games and not the Sharks that were winning them.

The good ol' Cup days.

 

[Earl]

Possible, all the fan heat was pointed at Dubois. As for the play on the ice at the time it made the most sense to me that it was Roy. Forwards had to cover for him after he would flee the zone. On more than one occasion Gavy was left in the zone all by himself with nowhere to go with the pass. On some of these plays Roy was the player furthest down the ice. Just the reasons for me to say Roy, but could have been Dubois.

I just always assumed Dubois because he was so pretty much universally unliked by the team on and off the ice for his uninspired play but I suppose it could be Roy as well for wanting to have that big year before UFA.

 

[symbology]

I just always assumed Dubois because he was so pretty much universally unliked by the team on and off the ice for his uninspired play but I suppose it could be Roy as well for wanting to have that big year before UFA.

I just went back and listened to his comment. He was not calling out a single player, he said "some guys".