Marner Watch

I know there are people who are not onboard with Fiala. I am not one of them.
My question is why would we think of trading a guy who just scored 35 goals who is on a very good contract?
I'm a Fiala fan. I'm not advocating getting rid of him BUT I could see him as trade bait if Holland goes full on Vegas at some point in the future. Not this season though.
 
I'm a Fiala fan. I'm not advocating getting rid of him BUT I could see him as trade bait if Holland goes full on Vegas at some point in the future. Not this season though.
I expect Danault is moved before they consider dealing Fiala. For reference Danault has a 10 Team NTC. Fiala has a NMC this season that turns into a 10 Team NTC next July 1.
 
I expect Danault is moved before they consider dealing Fiala. For reference Danault has a 10 Team NTC. Fiala has a NMC this season that turns into a 10 Team NTC next July 1.
Yeah, that's why I didn't put him on my original list of folks I'm confident they would keep around this season. I expected them to potentially move Phil last season at the deadline, fully expect he will be traded sometime over the next 2 seasons.
 
I'm a Fiala fan. I'm not advocating getting rid of him BUT I could see him as trade bait if Holland goes full on Vegas at some point in the future. Not this season though.
I'd hate to see Fiala get moved, but I could see it happening if Holland views him more as a luxury player than a game changer. He's posted 15 points in 14 playoff games with us, though, so I'm not sure I see the logic in moving him.

I expect Danault is moved before they consider dealing Fiala. For reference Danault has a 10 Team NTC. Fiala has a NMC this season that turns into a 10 Team NTC next July 1.
Problem with moving Danault is that he becomes much more valuable to this team once Kopi retires. He is also a solid leader, passionate and steps up in big games. I just don't see the logic in moving him, other than perhaps at the end of his contract if there is not a plan to resign him.
 
I don't think you want to trade Danault, but these past two seasons after putting up with the PLD parade and the growth of Byfield (and non falloff of Kopi), I could see him thinking there's a way to a cup that doesn't involve doing the dirty work against McDrai every year.
 
Carolina also runs a masterclass. They pick up great assets for cheap.

Marleua + 1st from Toronto to buy him out.
Burns trade for cheap.
I imagine they'll pay pennies on the dollar for Hertl so that Vegas can dump salary.
I think they got Patches a few years ago for next to nothing.

Carolina always seems to have 5-10 mil in cap space to add a star for nothing when a team like Vegas or Rangers wants to replace the star with a superstar.

And how many Cups have Carolina won?

To me Florida and Vegas are the only examples of really succesful wheeler-dealer managements. And Vegas is on the downward trajectory already.
 


Worth a watch.

Kypreos seems pretty sure that Marner will sign with Vegas. He mentioned Vegas might trade for this rights to give him 8 years and to knock down the AAV.
 
Historically, offense has come here to die in favor of a more defensive game, so you're not wrong in that thought.
Given all the advanced metrics teams have available now, I wonder how much goals and points are really the end all when it comes to a big contract. Teams should be savvy enough to see how monster metrics with relatively fewer points in defensive system should transfer to the system that they play. We’re not the only ones who know that the Kings don’t tend to produce massive individual numbers.

Regardless, if he goes short term (which would be insanely dumb) Marner has to change the playoff narrative. If the Kings can’t get out of the first round, it may not be the right fit. He needs to go somewhere with a shot at a longer run where he can put up numbers
 


Worth a watch.

Kypreos seems pretty sure that Marner will sign with Vegas. He mentioned Vegas might trade for this rights to give him 8 years and to knock down the AAV.

Quick CBA refresher, only a team that had the rights as of the trade deadline can sign the 8 year deal. If vegas went for this it would have to be as a sign and trade deal. It wouldn't be cheap.
 
Quick CBA refresher, only a team that had the rights as of the trade deadline can sign the 8 year deal. If vegas went for this it would have to be as a sign and trade deal. It wouldn't be cheap.
Since Vegas has to dump salary anyway, and with Tavares leaving, TOR might just be interested in Hertl or Karlsson. There’d be more going back, but a sign and trade could kill two birds with one stone for Vegas.

It feels very viable for them. Their depth may take a real hit this season but as the cap goes up they will recover.
 
Let Vegas have Marner and sign Kuzmenko. I would hate to see Kuzmenko sign with the Oilers to be on the wing with Draisaitl. If that works out for them, it will not be good for the Kings. Also, Oilers just dumped Kane to the Nucks for a 4th round pic.
 
Let Vegas have Marner and sign Kuzmenko. I would hate to see Kuzmenko sign with the Oilers to be on the wing with Draisaitl. If that works out for them, it will not be good for the Kings. Also, Oilers just dumped Kane to the Nucks for a 4th round pic.
Oils dumped Kane and likely trading Arvi to help pay for the Bouchard raise. They really should clean house and dump Nurse as well, but they'd likely have to retain a good portion of his contract.
 
Let Vegas have Marner and sign Kuzmenko. I would hate to see Kuzmenko sign with the Oilers to be on the wing with Draisaitl. If that works out for them, it will not be good for the Kings. Also, Oilers just dumped Kane to the Nucks for a 4th round pic.
Looks more and more likely I'm afraid. Twitter is alive with 'LA Kings aren't as appealing to the Mitch Marner camp. Per NHL Insider' type posts.

I'm guessing the sign and trade option from Vegas will be the winner.
 
Let Vegas have Marner and sign Kuzmenko. I would hate to see Kuzmenko sign with the Oilers to be on the wing with Draisaitl. If that works out for them, it will not be good for the Kings. Also, Oilers just dumped Kane to the Nucks for a 4th round pic.
If Kuzmenko is the best option it’s gonna be a long off-season.

We saw the very best of Kuzmenko for about 6 weeks. Then the playoffs started and he literally got benched. He’s not the answer if the Kings want to get past the Oilers.
 
If Kuzmenko is the best option it’s gonna be a long off-season.

We saw the very best of Kuzmenko for about 6 weeks. Then the playoffs started and he literally got benched. He’s not the answer if the Kings want to get past the Oilers.

I did not say he was the best option. He is a decent option though. Aso, looking at the time on ice during the playoffs I am not sure how you can say he was "literally benched". For a guy that does not kill penalties his ice time was not that far off the other forwards.

The fact is that there are other holes to fill other than on the wing. He is not "the" answer to get past the Oilers, but neither is Marner. Both players can help, Marner would help more, but at a significant cost.

I threw that comment out there because the Oilers are clearly making an attempt to revamp their top 6 forwards. They got Arvy in the hopes that he would be a good fit for Draisaitl. That did not work out. So, the Oilers are looking to improve and find a skilled winger that can work with Draisaitl. I fear Kuzmenko could be that skilled player that can be had on the cheap (relatively). That was the simple point I was making. I was not trying to say Kuzmenko would be the Kings savior.
 
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