***Seattle Kraken vs. LA Kings GDT 11/29/22 7:30pm on BSW***

[Kurisu]

With that said, i am fully on board with the "wtf is he doing crew" when it comes to doughty/kopi/kempe. Kopi and Drew especially just are not it. Those two thrive on positioning and a slower pace. And neither Drew nor Kopitar are guys that can keep up with faster players in open ice. That decision is definitely baffling.

Fiala - Kempe - Durzi.

The first two can fly, Durzi can protect and support the neutral zone. Time for a fresh look. We're ten years removed from Kopi, Carts and Drew dominating 3 on3 OT's.

 

[Shaddy]

I'm not even surprised with the Kings' performance and loss. However, I am mad that they stopped serving the ICEE branded cups at the place. They gave me some basic looking Dixie cup with the flat top instead of the dome top...felt robbed

 

[Bollocks]

im not one to put much credence in chewing guys out publicly. Im sure the team knows what they were and were not doing out there. And im not yet ready to call for Tmac's head, but this team has got to figure out how get some sort of consistency. We've seen them be effective with their structure, but the problem is they cant seem to do it for more than 2 periods at a time, and often they dont seem prepared mentally to start a lot of these games. With that said, i am fully on board with the "wtf is he doing crew" when it comes to doughty/kopi/kempe. Kopi and Drew especially just are not it. Those two thrive on positioning and a slower pace. And neither Drew nor Kopitar are guys that can keep up with faster players in open ice. That decision is definitely baffling.

also, FWIW, the Kraken let in 8 goals too. And the Kings had a couple posts just in teh 3rd as well. I suspect their coach will be having a very similar conversation with that team tomorrow.

I agree. If this was a contender full of vets, OK, but this team does not need a hardass approach at this point.

This was that "one in a XYZ" types of games.

Yeah, they are inconsistent, but it's to be expected since they have a lot of youth out there. They are still 3rd in their division. They have a better record than Edmonton, Calgary, Minnesotta, Nashville, St. Louis...despite this youth and inconsistency, which is bound to get better as the season goes on.

Are they contenders? Of course not. But they're holding their own and are on pace for playoffs.

 

[Statue4Deano]

also, FWIW, the Kraken let in 8 goals too. And the Kings had a couple posts just in teh 3rd as well. I suspect their coach will be having a very similar conversation with that team tomorrow.

Leaving Jones in for all 8 goals was sending a message. For Jones and the team. The Kraken looked terrible and they won. Just a god awful game for both teams.

 

[Nyssa42]

I'm counting 11 points for Cup winners. Anyone guess that high? lol. Let's see what sort of Poll Question Mayhem™ I can come up with for Thursday.

 

[Dr. Tran]

I know there's a lot of problems with this game. But just to focus on the OT, why do we keep going with Kop, Kempe, & Doughty to start? Besides not scoring they always have these forever long shifts. At least Kopi & Doughty got off after 1 minute but Kempe decided to stay on for 1:22 & then nonchalantly glide to the bench. I know Moore should've waited to go on but Kempe should've hustled back or else not taken as long a shift.

I don't know what to say other than that was too much. Yes I'm happy we tied the game & got a point. And Seattle's a legit good team. But we should be better than this. We're too inconsistent & undisciplined, like taking that too many men penalty in OT. Or making passes up the middle in front of our goalie right on the opponent's stick. Or missing opposing players standing off to the side of our net.

I hope our guys take this as a wake up call & not think they did great in scoring 8 goals. They need to figure out how they're going to play or else we need to make some roster changes. I already think we need a LD with some muscle. And even though I'm not on the fire Todd bandwagon, he needs to better control who gets ice time & when they get it.

 

[Illegal_Stick]

I'm rarely on the fire TM bandwagon, but when a coach who likes to implement a defensive system watches his team not play that system (and we know they can, because they have) does that not mean they're not listening to this coach anymore? What am I missing?

 

[Clif]

Kings never have control in a game. Everything is about burning up the ice and trying to score. It’s exciting but not always appropriate. And what happens when teams come at them? Panic mode. No one’s in position and everyone’s chasing.

Competent teams will force the opposing teams to the outside, ensure their chances aren’t dangerous. Not the Kings. It’s a 5 on 5 PK.

To me that’s more on players than coaching, and I actually get it when TM is talking about decision-making. However, what are they not understanding that causes them to repeatedly make such bad decisions? I don’t get it. Like, they should have a whole season’s worth of bad decisions on video now to review. When and how is this going to change?

 

[VCRW]

I know there's a lot of problems with this game. But just to focus on the OT, why do we keep going with Kop, Kempe, & Doughty to start? Besides not scoring they always have these forever long shifts. At least Kopi & Doughty got off after 1 minute but Kempe decided to stay on for 1:22 & then nonchalantly glide to the bench. I know Moore should've waited to go on but Kempe should've hustled back or else not taken as long a shift.

I don't know what to say other than that was too much. Yes I'm happy we tied the game & got a point. And Seattle's a legit good team. But we should be better than this. We're too inconsistent & undisciplined, like taking that too many men penalty in OT. Or making passes up the middle in front of our goalie right on the opponent's stick. Or missing opposing players standing off to the side of our net.

I hope our guys take this as a wake up call & not think they did great in scoring 8 goals. They need to figure out how they're going to play or else we need to make some roster changes. I already think we need a LD with some muscle. And even though I'm not on the fire Todd bandwagon, he needs to better control who gets ice time & when they get it.

Did you miss Doughty and Kopitar colliding in the o-zone and taking each other out of the play? The result was Kempe getting stuck out there playing 1 on 3 defense while 8 and 11 rolled around on the ice. Of course he was gassed coming to the bench. You make it sound like he had a choice.

 

[hokiecat]

Did you miss Doughty and Kopitar colliding in the o-zone and taking each other out of the play? The result was Kempe getting stuck out there playing 1 on 3 defense while 8 and 11 rolled around on the ice. Of course he was gassed coming to the bench. You make it sound like he had a choice.

Yes and No. That whole OT was a ****show. Win the faceoff and have possession. Dork around for a minute and try to tire out the Kraken. Then 11 and 8 crash into each other and fall down and 9 grabs the puck and races to safety. We get into the offensive zone again but 11 passes it back to 8 who loses it again and Seattle gets possession. We eventually change 8 and 11 when Seattle goes into their zone. Then the Kings get possession back when Kempe crushes Dunn into the boards on a full speed hit. The camera pans away but maybe they shoved for a while and that delays 9 getting off the ice. Whatever it is, he is slow to change. But Durzi could have NOT passed it to the bench area. He could have gone back to the red line or deeper into the offensive zone. Or Moore could have not played the puck. But instead the Kings made yet another brain dead decision and gave Seattle a PP.

I don't think Kempe was looking to be out there for 1:22 and he was doing most of the heavy lifting but a little faster skating after the big hit _OR_ a safer play of the puck by Durzi and he don't give up a PP. There is plenty of blame to go around.

 

[Clif]

Yes and No. That whole OT was a ****show. Win the faceoff and have possession. Dork around for a minute and try to tire out the Kraken. Then 11 and 8 crash into each other and fall down and 9 grabs the puck and races to safety. We get into the offensive zone again but 11 passes it back to 8 who loses it again and Seattle gets possession. We eventually change 8 and 11 when Seattle goes into their zone. Then the Kings get possession back when Kempe crushes Dunn into the boards on a full speed hit. The camera pans away but maybe they shoved for a while and that delays 9 getting off the ice. Whatever it is, he is slow to change. But Durzi could have NOT passed it to the bench area. He could have gone back to the red line or deeper into the offensive zone. Or Moore could have not played the puck. But instead the Kings made yet another brain dead decision and gave Seattle a PP.

I don't think Kempe was looking to be out there for 1:22 and he was doing most of the heavy lifting but a little faster skating after the big hit _OR_ a safer play of the puck by Durzi and he don't give up a PP. There is plenty of blame to go around.

This all the way. You’ve got a guy tangled up behind the net from the first unit. You have possession. Keep control and get the line change. Way to premature to rush up at that moment for the o zone. Decision making vs. always swinging for the stupid fences.

 

[Helvetica]

I'm rarely on the fire TM bandwagon, but when a coach who likes to implement a defensive system watches his team not play that system (and we know they can, because they have) does that not mean they're not listening to this coach anymore? What am I missing?

personally, i dont think this is a team that's given up on Tmac, so much as a team that is just not mentally ready for some of these games. Guys aren't making the correct reads, both on and off the puck. A simple/easy example would be Doughty allowing Giroux to get behind him in OT when there was never a play to jump in for. Kings did not have possession of the puck down low, but Doughty dropped into the high slot for a pass that was never going to come. It's poor decision making, and it's happening a bunch... just at a level that's less easy to isolate and point out. Guys aren't getting a clear when they need to. They aren't getting back when they need to, instead opting to try and pinch down. They are struggling to sort out some of the reads in the defensive zone. There's just a lot of missed plays.

I'm not going to sit here and point the finger at any one person, because a lot of the bad reads that lead to a goal happen well in advance of the goal. One guy tries to pinch in the offensive zone. Another guy misses that read and isn't back to support. Then there's some scrambling to adjust by the defense. It's a team issue, but it's also happening individually.

 

[What party?]

I'm rarely on the fire TM bandwagon, but when a coach who likes to implement a defensive system watches his team not play that system (and we know they can, because they have) does that not mean they're not listening to this coach anymore? What am I missing?

The apathy (from all parties concerned)?

 

[jammer06]

Congratulations to the following posters who correctly guessed the game winning goal would be scored by Burakovsky, nyssas poll powers were too much and nobody guessed this one would go to 11. CIrvine was closest with 9

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As for game analysis....

 

[Helvetica]

Congratulations to the following posters who correctly guessed the game winning goal would be scored by Burakovsky, nyssas poll powers were too much and nobody guessed this one would go to 11. CIrvine was closest with 9

jammer06
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As for game analysis....

just like the Kings, i salvaged a point from that mess.

 

[Statue4Deano]

personally, i dont think this is a team that's given up on Tmac, so much as a team that is just not mentally ready for some of these games. Guys aren't making the correct reads, both on and off the puck. A simple/easy example would be Doughty allowing Giroux to get behind him in OT when there was never a play to jump in for. Kings did not have possession of the puck down low, but Doughty dropped into the high slot for a shot that was never going to come. It's poor decision making, and it's happening a bunch... just at a level that's less easy to isolate and point out. Guys aren't getting a clear when they need to. They aren't getting back when they need to, instead opting to try and pinch down. They are struggling to sort out some of the reads in the defensive zone. There's just a lot of missed plays.

I'm not going to sit here and point the finger at any one person, because a lot of the bad reads that lead to a goal happen well in advance of the goal. One guy tries to pinch in the offensive zone. Another guy misses that read and isn't back to support. Then there's some scrambling to adjust by the defense. It's a team issue, but it's also happening individually.

To blame the coach on the debacle that we all just witnessed is letting a lot of p*ss poor brain dead plays or straight up lazy plays by professionals slide. A quick breakdown of the goals allowed:

Goal 1) Quick makes the initial save leaves a huge rebound in the slot and Kempe is not ready to clear the puck/cover the nearest attacker or even attempt to interfere with the shooter. Kempe ends up looking like a bubble hockey defender spinning around as the puck ends up in the net
Goal 2) Doughty lets his man get inside position in the slot 2 feet from the crease and he scores off a pass.
Goal 3) PP goal. Kings can't clear the puck Seattle scores easily.
Goal 4) Puck ends up behind the net on a rush. Durzi can't move it around the boards. Seattle forward gains possession. Danault falls down and loses his man who walks in and taps in an easy goal off a pass.
Goal 5) Very mundane rush by Seattle up the ice results in absolute chaos for the Kings in their own zone. Nobody picks up an attacking forward. Everyone is out of position looking around while Seattle scores an easy goal off a one timer.
Goal 6) Kupari with time and space fails to move the puck out of the D-zone. Seattle winger takes a low percentage shot and scores. Cal makes the initial save. Rebound falls behind him into the goal.
Goal 7) Vilardi on the boards in the Kings zone serves up one of his best passes of the season directly on the blade of a Seattle forward in the high slot. Beats Cal cleanly.
Goal 8) Roy and Petersen literally get tangled up while Seattle is cycling the puck in the Kings zone. Puck moves from the behind the goal to a winger who has all the time and space needed to score on a goalie who wasn't ready to make the stop on a very low percentage shot.
Goal 9) OT short side goal.

 

[Helvetica]

To blame the coach on the debacle that we all just witnessed is letting a lot of p*ss poor brain dead plays or straight up lazy plays by professionals slide. A quick breakdown of the goals allowed:

Goal 1) Quick makes the initial save leaves a huge rebound in the slot and Kempe is not ready to clear the puck/cover the nearest attacker or even attempt to interfere with the shooter. Kempe ends up looking like a bubble hockey defender spinning around as the puck ends up in the net
Goal 2) Doughty lets his man get inside position in the slot 2 feet from the crease and he scores off a pass.
Goal 3) PP goal. Kings can't clear the puck Seattle scores easily.
Goal 4) Puck ends up behind the net on a rush. Durzi can't move it around the boards. Seattle forward gains possession. Danault falls down and loses his man who walks in and taps in an easy goal off a pass.
Goal 5) Very mundane rush by Seattle up the ice results in absolute chaos for the Kings in their own zone. Nobody picks up an attacking forward. Everyone is out of position looking around while Seattle scores an easy goal off a one timer.
Goal 6) Kupari with time and space fails to move the puck out of the D-zone. Seattle winger takes a low percentage shot and scores. Cal makes the initial save. Rebound falls behind him into the goal.
Goal 7) Vilardi on the boards in the Kings zone serves up one of his best passes of the season directly on the blade of a Seattle forward in the high slot. Beats Cal cleanly.
Goal 8) Roy and Petersen literally get tangled up while Seattle is cycling the puck in the Kings zone. Puck moves from the behind the goal to a winger who has all the time and space needed to score on a goalie who wasn't ready to make the stop on a very low percentage shot.
Goal 9) OT short side goal.

for sure. I just got to see the recap (missed first two periods), and yeah lots of mistakes. I think it was goal three even, that quick makes the initial save, puck came out to Beniers in the high slot for the put back. Problem is, two Kings there, and both were puck watching rather than picking up Beniers. Every single goal i watched at least one person make a mistake. The goal where Danault fell down and Beniers was left alone. Danault heads to the boards as an outlet, but the pass doesnt come. Even if he doesnt fall down he probably doenst recover there. And that's an instance where i think several mistakes may have been made. Danault probably should have covered his guy, but i understand why he broke off because it looked like Durzi was there to make a play, but durzi either doesnt make the right play there. He comes in on his forehand and fans on the pass. To me, Danault makes a read one way, but probably should have gone with a safer play there covering his man. But who knows, i mean durzi needs to not fan that pass.

Regardless, the reason i have for believing the Kings haven't given up on coach is that these issues are individual/player based mistakes. And that even in some of these game slike last night, i wouldn't really qualify any of the losses this season as effort based. I cant think of a game where they came out listless, or that they've simply folded after giving up some goals. There have been several games like last night where it would have been easy to stop giving effort, and i don't think that's really been the case at all this season. They've dug themselves out of hole son multiple occasions. So, if you're somebody that thinks it's the coaches job to get each player prepared mentally, i could see that. I don't believe that's the case, but i at least understand that argument. But i don't see any evidence what so ever that the team isn't listening or has given up.

 

[Illegal_Stick]

To blame the coach on the debacle that we all just witnessed is letting a lot of p*ss poor brain dead plays or straight up lazy plays by professionals slide. A quick breakdown of the goals allowed:

Goal 1) Quick makes the initial save leaves a huge rebound in the slot and Kempe is not ready to clear the puck/cover the nearest attacker or even attempt to interfere with the shooter. Kempe ends up looking like a bubble hockey defender spinning around as the puck ends up in the net
Goal 2) Doughty lets his man get inside position in the slot 2 feet from the crease and he scores off a pass.
Goal 3) PP goal. Kings can't clear the puck Seattle scores easily.
Goal 4) Puck ends up behind the net on a rush. Durzi can't move it around the boards. Seattle forward gains possession. Danault falls down and loses his man who walks in and taps in an easy goal off a pass.
Goal 5) Very mundane rush by Seattle up the ice results in absolute chaos for the Kings in their own zone. Nobody picks up an attacking forward. Everyone is out of position looking around while Seattle scores an easy goal off a one timer.
Goal 6) Kupari with time and space fails to move the puck out of the D-zone. Seattle winger takes a low percentage shot and scores. Cal makes the initial save. Rebound falls behind him into the goal.
Goal 7) Vilardi on the boards in the Kings zone serves up one of his best passes of the season directly on the blade of a Seattle forward in the high slot. Beats Cal cleanly.
Goal 8) Roy and Petersen literally get tangled up while Seattle is cycling the puck in the Kings zone. Puck moves from the behind the goal to a winger who has all the time and space needed to score on a goalie who wasn't ready to make the stop on a very low percentage shot.
Goal 9) OT short side goal.

I don't disagree, I guess I just don't know what you do here. I think people pile on TM all the time and it largely seems unfair BUT the bonehead plays are not isolated to this game, it is happening ALL the time. So while I defend TM how else do you change the issue that your team is always making dumb plays and losing games because of them? You can't trade everyone. You could blame the GM I guess for getting a bunch of players who make bonehead plays (though outside of Durzi, no one has a true history of that.) So what else do you do? It's a moot point because Blake won't do anything with TM and he's safe for now - I just don't know what I would do if I was in charge of this team because it is exhausting to watch this.

But in reality...

To blame the coach on the debacle that we all just witnessed is letting a lot of p*ss poor brain dead plays or straight up lazy plays by professionals slide. A quick breakdown of the goals allowed:

You are 100% right BUT this exact thing happens all the time - team playing like crap, not following coach's directions etc. - coach fired.

 

[Illegal_Stick]

And can I just say as someone whose favourite player is Doughty - man, he can be frustrating. When he thought he could make the olympic team, he showed what he could be. To me, he appears to be absolutely floundering. So he's willing to work hard for that, he's willing to kick ass in "meaningful" games, wanting to come back injured to play in the playoffs etc., but he seems to need a reminder that he gets paid ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS to play 82 games and to be ready and in shape to do so.

 

[Nyssa42]

And can I just say as someone whose favourite player is Doughty - man, he can be frustrating. When he thought he could make the olympic team, he showed what he could be. To me, he appears to be absolutely floundering. So he's willing to work hard for that, he's willing to kick ass in "meaningful" games, wanting to come back injured to play in the playoffs etc., but he seems to need a reminder that he gets paid ELEVEN MILLION DOLLARS to play 82 games and to be ready and in shape to do so.

THIS ^^^ I didn't want to bring it up last night because it wasn't the really the problem, but... What the heck is wrong with Drew?? He's invisible this season. Is it his age? Injury? I can count on one hand the number of times the crowd has chanted "Drewwwwww" this season on a play. It's not that he's playing terrible just not playing with any fire at all.