Superman v Batman/DC movies

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roenick said:
My wife and youngest daughter have no desire to see while my oldest daughter and I do want to see it. We will see it on Saturday. Word of mouth has it as the gauntlet that DC is laying down on Marvel.
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The Wonder Woman raves are coming in fast and furious. You may get to go again with the rest of your family. Like I have said previously, as far as marvel vs dc...Avengers 3 errrrrrrrrr Cap'n 'Murica Cival War...you know what you are gonna get. It will be served in a nice way...you'll enjoy...go home and forget. The DC movies are wild cards. Anything can happen...good, bad...who knows. I guarantee there will be more to talk about simply because nobody knows what to expect.
 
jerseydevil said:
The Wonder Woman raves are coming in fast and furious. You may get to go again with the rest of your family. Like I have said previously, as far as marvel vs dc...Avengers 3 errrrrrrrrr Cap'n 'Murica Cival War...you know what you are gonna get. It will be served in a nice way...you'll enjoy...go home and forget. The DC movies are wild cards. Anything can happen...good, bad...who knows. I guarantee there will be more to talk about simply because nobody knows what to expect.
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orpheus said:
As long as they don't ruin Wonder Woman, I'll be content. Seriously. No more bitterness from me. ;)
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After the crap Marvel has taken over their handling of Black Widow toys/movies/etc, D.C. would be wise to tap into a female audience with a kick ass showing by WW. That alone could push them ahead in the market. You could argue that nothing would hurt them as much as that really.
 
Well...there is a ton that could hurt them. But...your point about stealing the hearts and minds of women...young ladies...girls...well yeah.
 
jerseydevil said:
Where Have You Gone, Superman?
http://uproxx.com/movies/batman-v-superman-where-have-you-gone/

Guy makes good points, but a Superman...who is all good and pure, sadly is not right for this world we live in. There is no reference for the wide eyed optimism that Christopher Reeve made look so easy.
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I'd like to see a Superman that GETS to that point. Maybe not off the bat, maybe not quickly, but eventually. Growth in him to his true potential. That was something I liked about MoS in fact. Seeing him adapt and harness his powers.
 
jerseydevil said:
Where Have You Gone, Superman?
http://uproxx.com/movies/batman-v-superman-where-have-you-gone/

Guy makes good points, but a Superman...who is all good and pure, sadly is not right for this world we live in. There is no reference for the wide eyed optimism that Christopher Reeve made look so easy.
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SmytheKing said:
I'd like to see a Superman that GETS to that point. Maybe not off the bat, maybe not quickly, but eventually. Growth in him to his true potential. That was something I liked about MoS in fact. Seeing him adapt and harness his powers.
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If you're not watching "Supergirl," I can tell you that, while I have some problems with the show, the tone is spot on. The "feeling" of it is what I think of when I think of what that red S should be.

She's good at heart, but she runs into problems, makes mistakes, and is learning how to be a "hero."



Meanwhile, the current screen version's dad told him not to save kids drowning in a bus.
 
darby said:
If you're not watching "Supergirl," I can tell you that, while I have some problems with the show, the tone is spot on. The "feeling" of it is what I think of when I think of what that red S should be.

She's good at heart, but she runs into problems, makes mistakes, and is learning how to be a "hero."



Meanwhile, the current screen version's dad told him not to save kids drowning in a bus.
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The tone and general idea behind MoS, at least as far as his parents were concerned, is that the world is not ready for a concept so foreign as a godlike creature who truly wants to do good. And, honestly...in today's world isn't that true? Imagine the fear and suspicion and outright hostility. At least Pa Kent walked the walk and sacrificed his life for his son's safety and anonymity. But, there's no snarky way to look at that, is there? It's a different world we live in and to coin a phrase, maybe Snyder's Superman is the hero we all deserve.
 
jerseydevil said:
The tone and general idea behind MoS, at least as far as his parents were concerned, is that the world is not ready for a concept so foreign as a godlike creature who truly wants to do good. And, honestly...in today's world isn't that true? Imagine the fear and suspicion and outright hostility. At least Pa Kent walked the walk and sacrificed his life for his son's safety and anonymity. But, there's no snarky way to look at that, is there? It's a different world we live in and to coin a phrase, maybe Snyder's Superman is the hero we all deserve.
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Yeah. Personally I liked that whole bit. It felt more human and real to be conflicted like that.
 
jerseydevil said:
The tone and general idea behind MoS, at least as far as his parents were concerned, is that the world is not ready for a concept so foreign as a godlike creature who truly wants to do good. And, honestly...in today's world isn't that true? Imagine the fear and suspicion and outright hostility. At least Pa Kent walked the walk and sacrificed his life for his son's safety and anonymity. But, there's no snarky way to look at that, is there? It's a different world we live in and to coin a phrase, maybe Snyder's Superman is the hero we all deserve.
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Costner and the Ma and Pa Kent routine were one of the best parts of that movie.
 
ATKM said:
The world we live in is ALWAYS the right world for promoting ideals of goodness and purity.
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I admire your optimism, I do.

And I realize that this is likely a pointless exercise(talk about optimism), but we don't currently live in ideal times. Terrorism, attempts by people to make discrimination legal, open hatred expressed by certain people trying for jobs that would put them in positions to exacerbate this...you see what I am getting at. Children who are currently growing up see hatred being embraced every day, etc...you get the picture. Christopher Reeve's Superman would get his 'turn the other cheek' ass kicked today. I am not encouraging that, I am simply presenting it. If a Superman movie came out, all bright and shiny...with Superman presenting the ideals of goodness and light...it would make 3 dollars. Does making a 'dark' B VS S movie exacerbate that...possibly, even probably. But, like most art, it tends to reflect the times we live in.

Not trying to make a crusade out of this...I just think that your opinion, however admirable, is misguided.
 
"They can be a great people, Kal-El; they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way."

That should be what Superman is.

Making him into another Batman is not that.
 
and the kids'll just eat that up. You do realize that these movies are made to make money. Superman Returns tried to contemporize that spirit...and it just did not translate. Perhaps you guys could write a feasible attempt to bring the bright blue schoolboy into this modern age. Lots have tried.

Miller's Dark Knight almost single handedly destroyed that model in most of this generation's eyes. In that, and I strongly suggest EVERYONE read it, his optimism is subverted by the Government and he becomes a tool. Once I saw that...I could never unsee it. If you tried to present that to me in a movie...I would laugh at it.
 
darby said:
"They can be a great people, Kal-El; they wish to be. They only lack the light to show the way."

That should be what Superman is.

Making him into another Batman is not that.
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I'd like to see him become that though. He's not there yet, but who is at first? A Superman without conflict and depth is boring. He needs to rise and grow into that man-god instead of just existing as one.
 
Just to put it in perspective...in the iconic Supes origin he is found and raised by two kindly souls known simply as Ma and Pa Kent. I am not sure they even HAVE first names. He learns a core belief system and goes to a 'modern day' Metropolis, which is perpetually locked in the 1950's.

If he were created today...he would be a product of the foster care system, abused and molested by a series of check cashing temp families until the day he can go down the corner and start selling Kryptonite rocks for 5 bucks a baggy.

Superman is an unrealistic concept today. Like Spiderman...it's why they can't find a grip on that character either. You go too dark...purists scream. But you tell the story the only way it can be told because it exists in such a vacuum, and people will stay away in droves.
 
jerseydevil said:
and the kids'll just eat that up. You do realize that these movies are made to make money. Superman Returns tried to contemporize that spirit...and it just did not translate. Perhaps you guys could write a feasible attempt to bring the bright blue schoolboy into this modern age. Lots have tried.
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Not that this completely invalidates your point.
 
Again, I say "Watch 'Supergirl.'"

She's struggled with making mistakes on the job, even though her intentions were good.

She's struggled with whether or not to kill enemies who were significant dangers.

She's struggled with the trust of the public - having it, then losing it, and trying to rebuild it.

She's struggled with managing a personal life and that of being a hero.

She got family issues, government and military issues, and, of course, there's like, a love quadrangle.


And all of this is framed within today's world of cynicism, fear, cell phone cameras, and a 24 hour news cycle. But from her character, there's acceptance of the situation, but there's also always hope.


And her suit actually has color and most episodes take place, like, at last 50% in the daytime. Out in the sunlight, even.
 
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darby said:
Again, I say "Watch 'Supergirl.'"

She's struggled with making mistakes on the job, even though her intentions were good.

She's struggled with whether or not to kill enemies who were significant dangers.

She's struggled with the trust of the public - having it, then losing it, and trying to rebuild it.

She's struggled with managing a personal life and that of being a hero.

She got family issues, government and military issues, and, of course, there's like, a love quadrangle.


And all of this is framed within today's world of cynicism, fear, cell phone cameras, and a 24 hour news cycle. But from her character, there's acceptance of the situation, but there's also always hope.


And her suit actually has color and most episodes take place, like, at last 50% in the daytime. Out in the sunlight, even.
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she also has more than 2 hrs to accomplish that in, under much lower stakes
 
It also comes from what you want to do with the character.

The current movie franchise wants to make Superman more interesting by making him more like Batman.

The TV show wants to make Supergirl into what the Reeves Superman was: a person with tremendous power choosing to use it for good, and inspiring others in the process.
 
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