The Trade Deadline Thread

[Drum4Pigs]

Looked through this thread and didn't see this posted:
Maple Leafs, Kings, and Predators Should Pull Off 3-Team Trade

TLDR:
Kings Receive: Juuse Saros ($1.75 million retention from Nashville), Conor Timmins (from Toronto)

Maple Leafs Receive: Matt Roy (from Los Angeles)

Predators Receive: 2024 first-round pick (from Los Angeles), Martin Chromiak (from Los Angeles), 2024 first-round pick (from Toronto)

Thoughts?

 

[VCRW]

Kings have $65M cap hit committed to next season. The cap is going up to $87.7M.

That’s $22M available with Byfield, Spence, Turcotte, JAD, Kaliyev as RFAs. Roy, Arvidsson, Lewis, Rittich, Talbot as UFAs.

Only 5 or 6 of those guys will be re-signed. The rest will be traded or not offered contracts. I definitely don’t see Kaliyev, JAD and one of Talbot or Rittich in a Kings uniform next year. Roy may be gone sooner.

 

[emsomaso]

Looked through this thread and didn't see this posted:
Maple Leafs, Kings, and Predators Should Pull Off 3-Team Trade

TLDR:
Kings Receive: Juuse Saros ($1.75 million retention from Nashville), Conor Timmins (from Toronto)

Maple Leafs Receive: Matt Roy (from Los Angeles)

Predators Receive: 2024 first-round pick (from Los Angeles), Martin Chromiak (from Los Angeles), 2024 first-round pick (from Toronto)

Thoughts?

Would this work cap-wise? I don’t think so, that would require us to trade more salary.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Looked through this thread and didn't see this posted:
Maple Leafs, Kings, and Predators Should Pull Off 3-Team Trade

TLDR:
Kings Receive: Juuse Saros ($1.75 million retention from Nashville), Conor Timmins (from Toronto)

Maple Leafs Receive: Matt Roy (from Los Angeles)

Predators Receive: 2024 first-round pick (from Los Angeles), Martin Chromiak (from Los Angeles), 2024 first-round pick (from Toronto)

Thoughts?

It’s definitely creative I’ll give them that.

It doesn’t really work because Blake won’t trade Roy but just as important the Kings don’t have a 2nd and 3rd in the 24 draft.

Moving their 1st would mean no pick until round 4 and Chromiak was a 2nd round pick in 2020. So you’re clearing out the little remaining skill forwards with NHL potential you’ve got left in the cupboard at the AHL level.

 

[VCRW]

Arvy is the most interesting case when it comes to next year’s salary cap. Since his return to the lineup, he has made a helluva case for keeping him on the team somehow.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Only 5 or 6 of those guys will be re-signed. The rest will be traded or not offered contracts. I definitely don’t see Kaliyev, JAD and one of Talbot or Rittich in a Kings uniform next year. Roy may be gone sooner.

They have to be replaced with NHL level players. And it’s usually more expensive to find a replacement outside of the organization than within. Unless you’re prepared to take a step backwards with depth. If that’s the case then you can definitely find warm bodies at league minimum to fill out the roster. Does that make the team better?

I don’t think so. Especially when both the goalies you signed as lottery tickets hit this season. Maybe they weren’t jackpots but both Talbot and Rittich have played above their salary to this point. Is it wise to take that risk again next season?

 

[Clif]

Arvy is the most interesting case when it comes to next year’s salary cap. Since his return to the lineup, he has made a helluva case for keeping him on the team somehow.

Agreed. Kings can’t rely on a prospect to fill his role next year. Would think his injury history drops the term for sure, but I really don’t know what to expect for cap hit. 59 pts last year and immediately impactful this season gives his agent a good case.

 

[VCRW]

Looked through this thread and didn't see this posted:
Maple Leafs, Kings, and Predators Should Pull Off 3-Team Trade

TLDR:
Kings Receive: Juuse Saros ($1.75 million retention from Nashville), Conor Timmins (from Toronto)

Maple Leafs Receive: Matt Roy (from Los Angeles)

Predators Receive: 2024 first-round pick (from Los Angeles), Martin Chromiak (from Los Angeles), 2024 first-round pick (from Toronto)

Thoughts?

No thank you. Kings can’t give up Roy and a first. I would wait until the summer to pick up a goalie.

 

[VCRW]

They have to be replaced with NHL level players. And it’s usually more expensive to find a replacement outside of the organization than within. Unless you’re prepared to take a step backwards with depth. If that’s the case then you can definitely find warm bodies at league minimum to fill out the roster. Does that make the team better?

I don’t think so. Especially when both the goalies you signed as lottery tickets hit this season. Maybe they weren’t jackpots but both Talbot and Rittich have played above their salary to this point. Is it wise to take that risk again next season?

Akil Thomas and Chromiak are being groomed for the NHL.

 

[DarkLeftHand]

Victor Arvidsson is a bonafide self starter, and 2nd line winger. Very much like Justin Williams was, not an identical skill set, but he’s got both skill and will, and gets after it regardless of what his line mates or teammates are doing. He should be a keeper, and it would be foolish to not make a concerted effort to keep him. I think that he’s a better fit for this team, and it’s identity, than Fiala is, even if he may be a fair bit less -skilled-. If only the guy could stay healthy..

 

[DarkLeftHand]

Akil Thomas and Chromiak are being groomed for the NHL.

I don’t think Chromiak has a chance to break into the NHL, at least not with the Kings. If you think Arthur Kaliyev is maddening to watch, it’ll be much the same with Chromiak. One dimensional player with a shot, who disappears until he pots a goal every fourth game or so.

 

[VCRW]

I don’t think Chromiak has a chance to break into the NHL, at least not with the Kings. If you think Arthur Kaliyev is maddening to watch, it’ll be much the same with Chromiak. One dimensional player with a shot, who disappears until he pots a goal every fourth game or so.

But Thomas seems to be the real deal. And he is right handed.

 

[symbology]

Looked through this thread and didn't see this posted:
Maple Leafs, Kings, and Predators Should Pull Off 3-Team Trade

TLDR:
Kings Receive: Juuse Saros ($1.75 million retention from Nashville), Conor Timmins (from Toronto)

Maple Leafs Receive: Matt Roy (from Los Angeles)

Predators Receive: 2024 first-round pick (from Los Angeles), Martin Chromiak (from Los Angeles), 2024 first-round pick (from Toronto)

Thoughts?

Huge over payment from the Kings IMO. Who is this guy anyway? Did he pull this off of HFBoards?

 

[kingnut]

No thank you. Kings can’t give up Roy and a first. I would wait until the summer to pick up a goalie.

Yep. Cannot give up.the pick. Run w what got u here. Not happy about asset mngmt. Gonna lose more fringe prospects that's prob gonna be impactful somewhere else like Amadio,. Can see arty w the lightning and putting up some points. Was hoping last yr that bluc would pkg some of them for a LD or a 4th liner w some grit. Like the Englund signing, but still too soft as a team. Arvy getting elbowed w no response. The oil gonna get rough and dirty. Esp now w perry.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Was hoping last yr that bluc would pkg some of them for a LD or a 4th liner w some grit. Like the Englund signing, but still too soft as a team. Arvy getting elbowed w no response. The oil gonna get rough and dirty. Esp now w perry.

I hope you aren’t one of the people whining about PLD and Fiala taking retaliatory penalties away from the puck…

If we want our players to play with some grit then we’ve got to gladly accept when they take penalties for fighting back.

 

[DarkLeftHand]

But Thomas seems to be the real deal. And he is right handed.

I agree that Akil Thomas could be a useful 3rd/4th line utility player, but he’s not very physical and his skating is also very, very average. I don’t think his offensive production will materialize much when he goes up a tier in competition, and if it doesn’t, he doesn’t have the other tools to stick. There should only be so much room for guys like Laferriere, who is definitely up to par when it comes to NHL skating and physicality, but lack the ability to finish. Laferriere at least creates his own chances with his skating, aggression, and a good shot, but I don’t think you’ll see a guy like Chromiak able to do the same for himself.

It’s startling to watch Reign games, and see how very little the profilic junior guys like Pinelli are producing. They don’t seem to be involved in the play much at all except for when there is a total breakdown on the oppositions part, and they are left to dart in, unabated.

All that said, and keeping on topic, these guys should be considered trade bait, because they’ll die on the vine in Ontario, or get claimed in the off-season by another team desperate for some AHL talent. The next batch like Zimmer, Connors, Hughes, Dvorak, Conmy will be arriving over the next season or two and the Reign roster will need space for them.

 

[kingnut]

I hope you aren’t one of the people whining about PLD and Fiala taking retaliatory penalties away from the puck…

If we want our players to play with some grit then we’ve got to gladly accept when they take penalties for fighting back.

Agree with you, but gotta be smart about it. Im more irritated by the stupid giveaways.

 

[LAKingSteve]

But Thomas seems to be the real deal. And he is right handed.

Man I want to see this kid get his shot and succeed at the NHL level.

 

[DryKing]

It’s startling to watch Reign games, and see how very little the profilic junior guys like Pinelli are producing. They don’t seem to be involved in the play much at all except for when there is a total breakdown on the oppositions part, and they are left to dart in, unabated.

All that said, and keeping on topic, these guys should be considered trade bait, because they’ll die on the vine in Ontario, or get claimed in the off-season by another team desperate for some AHL talent. The next batch like Zimmer, Connors, Hughes, Dvorak, Conmy will be arriving over the next season or two and the Reign roster will need space for them.

Pinelli has definitely been surprising during his time with the Reign, and not in a good way. Really expected a lot more from this kid but I do think he is a keeper and is prime for a breakout season next season.

Biggest problem with the Reign right now is lack of talent. We've traded away top picks (both pre-draft and as trades and salary dumps) and it shows with the lack of depth in our farm system. Really hope Blake finds a way to either bring in some prospects or top picks in the near future.

I'd say the Reign definitely has room for the next batch of prospects, when they are ready, and hope they are ready fast.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Biggest problem with the Reign right now is lack of talent. We've traded away top picks (both pre-draft and as trades and salary dumps) and it shows with the lack of depth in our farm system. Really hope Blake finds a way to either bring in some prospects or top picks in the near future.

I don’t know if it’s lack of talent. To me it’s more about just lack of production. Each of Thomas, Helenius, Chromiak and Pinelli were 2nd round picks who just haven’t produced much of anything at the AHL level. Tyler Madden was a guy who lit up Hockey East at 20 years old and big things were expected at the AHL level and beyond. He’s struggled to hit 20 goals.

All of these guys are very talented but they just don’t produce much.

Then there’s Fagemo. Another 2nd rounder. He’s actually very productive but no real NHL future.

Next season Koehn Ziemmer and Jack Hughes should add some more talent to the Reign roster but Blake definitely needs to do something about the blue line corps.