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Butch 19
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Quick should have been traded 2 yrs ago. - when his value was higher. philly? Wash? Edm???
Trade Quick? Yep!
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HTK
3rd Line Winger
Agree. Same with Brown, Willie Mitchell, Kopi, Justin Williams, and a few more we either let go for nothing or have held on too long. Good teams maximize their assets. The difference between winning and losing in the NHL is small. Kings need to use every tool at their disposal to gain an edge.
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LAKingSteve
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Sorry, it's a ridiculous trade proposition for a couple reasons:
1) Quick would never get that return, this ain't a video game.
2) I'd never trade him in division - if we make the playoffs he'd probably shut us out every game
3) If Edmonton wants a goalie, there are a few FAs on the market right now to choose from
4) Let him retire a King, even if that's a couple seasons away. Let him play out his contract and if he's still healthy and willing, he takes a big pay cut to stay in LA and signs 1 year at a time.
1) Quick would never get that return, this ain't a video game.
2) I'd never trade him in division - if we make the playoffs he'd probably shut us out every game
3) If Edmonton wants a goalie, there are a few FAs on the market right now to choose from
4) Let him retire a King, even if that's a couple seasons away. Let him play out his contract and if he's still healthy and willing, he takes a big pay cut to stay in LA and signs 1 year at a time.
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LAKingSteve
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Willie Mitchell played all of 3 seasons and helped us win 2 cups. He was gone the next season after cup 2
Justin Williams helped us win 2 cups. He was gone 2 seasons after winning cup 2.
Kopi's cap hit sucks but he's still the leading scorer and you literally can't trade away every veteran you have on a team. That's part of the reason they are considering signing Edler to another 1 year deal.
DryKing
Power Forward
Quick actually proved last season that he is more valuable on the team than what he could have brought through a trade (which wasn;t much). Keep in mind Seattle could have taken him in the expansion draft but, thankfully, did not do so.
Good team also show loyalty to the players who have put it all on the line for them and driven their success. Mitchell, Williams and Brown were all imperative pieces of the team's Cup success (Mitchell really being the it factor that put us over the top). Williams went on to be a main piece of Carolina's success, and Brown should have, and did, retire as a King and probably the best Captain the franchise has ever had.
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jgs
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At the end of the day the outlook must always be what is best for the organization. Loyalty should not be an issue. Loyalty leaves the team depleted and takes years to rebiuld. The loyalty is the pay the players get. Pay them good and then trade them when their value are high and keep bringing in real good talent that will keep the team in the hunt for the Cup. Look at Quick. Kopitar and Brown. Brown wasn't doing anything for the team. Quick is ok but he will not win the team a Cup, He will not even keep them compititive, Kopitar is ok but not worth what he is getting paid. The Kings would have been much further in compiting for the Cup had they traded those three a few years back and brought in high young talent in return. But as we speak, there isn't much at the goaltending position so the Kings are stuck with Quick/Peterson. The mistake they made was trading Campbell, he is better than Peterson.
DryKing
Power Forward
Loyalty attracts free agents, helps get key players to resign and hopefully resign as team friendly deals. There needs to be a mix between loyalty and business, but you cannot fully omit either.
As to Quick not keeping the team competitive in the playoffs you clearly missed the series against Edmonton last year. Kings had not business going 7 games with Edmonton, yet they did and put up a great fight.
HTK
3rd Line Winger
Yes. You get it. Loyalty is not a concern. When DD was signing his deal did he give the Kings a home town discount? Nope.
We need a GM who has courage to move players before they are on a severe decline.
Quick need to be traded. We are not winning the cup either way so move him and keep improving the team.
Loyalty in pro sports is generally a mistake. GM's make decisions for the wrong reason if they get sentimental or too loyal (see Lombardi, Dean). Decisions must be dispassionate. And that will p*ss off the fanbase to be sure. But in the long run its best to keep emotions out of this. Essentially, if a guy needs to be cut, ya gotta do it, even if its a long term player.
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waynet
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Even in the Kings wanted to unload JQ, they won't find a taker. He'll finish out a stellar career with the Kings and hopefully incentivize Peterson to improve over a disappointingly mediocre last season. Peterson showed some flashes of excellence, but lacked consistency. My hope is he'll be motivated to improve with JQ waiting in the wings.
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Illegal_Stick
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You have a goalie going into the last year of his contract. For a few years it looked like he had lost his way. Now he finally has rediscovered his form and just in time because his replacement has looked mediocre. So obviously he finishes out this year. It?s not about loyalty. It?s about this - right now we need him as the best goalie in our system. Just because you don?t think we can win the cup, it doesn?t mean you potentially go backwards by letting Petersen potentially cause us to miss the playoffs. It is laughable to think Quick would get traded now and thinking he could shows you simply don?t understand how this franchise is currently run. You can disagree of course and think he should be traded but if you think it could happen, you simply aren?t paying attention or just plain don?t get it.
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jgs
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I did watch the series and Quick did play good. But ask yourself this. Will Quick get better with time or will his play get worse. The odds are he will decline in his play. He didn't look real good througout the season, that is why TM didn't pick a #1 goaltender he kept telling both i need to see #1 performance before i pick it. Quick did have q good playoff series but chances of him consistently playing at that level next year are against him. Kings need a goaltender that consistently plays at ahigh level and makes the save when needed.
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AngelEyes
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This !
HTK
3rd Line Winger
OK Nostradamus.
Quick would have takers on several teams. For first round picks? Maybe. 3rd round picks? Sure.
You only make the move if you are going to sign another star.
HTK
3rd Line Winger
Ha. If you only knew me. I have been leading teams for 25 years. You know what builds great morale? Winning. When I take over a new department or company I define what winning is and then ensure we get there. Do I fire people sometimes? Yep. Do my People love me? Yep. Most people have never won at anything in their life. So when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are often loyal for life.
My point is that good leaders do what it takes to win. Morale often follows winning. Do the Patriots have good morale? Or do players on their team like being on a winning team?
I am not saying Quick is not a leader. But so is Johnny Gadreau. You think that guy ia not leader?
