Trade Quick? Yep!

Ha. If you only knew me. I have been leading teams for 25 years. You know what builds great morale? Winning. When I take over a new department or company I define what winning is and then ensure we get there. Do I fire people sometimes? Yep. Do my People love me? Yep. Most people have never won at anything in their life. So when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are often loyal for life.

My point is that good leaders do what it takes to win. Morale often follows winning. Do the Patriots have good morale? Or do players on their team like being on a winning team?

I am not saying Quick is not a leader. But so is Johnny Gadreau. You think that guy ia not leader?

No offense, but this is off in many ways. #1 you are dictating what "winning" is which may mean one thing to you and something completely different to the team as clearly you are talking about a corporate setting and no where in your summary is any sort of collaboration. Morale on a team is driven by many factors, much of which comes down to culture. Furthermore when you make comments like "Most people have never won at anything in their life" or "...when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are loyal for life" you clearly do not get what makes teams thrive in today's working environment and appear, based on your wording, to think somehow you are superior to those who report to you while in no way displaying any semblance of servant leadership.

Now on to hockey. The first team I got drafted by had won the championship the year before and were looking to repeat. Everyone on the team knew their roles, the expectations and the goal which was to repeat - there was no room for anything less. The team was great in that it was my first year in the league and taught me what it took to be successful, but at the end we won the championship but would I ever want to be on that team again? The answer is simply, hell no. The culture of the team was rotten, the leadership did not care about the players, and anytime we lost a game someone had to be blamed and punished. There really was no "team" just a group of players who worked together to achieve victory and then hoped to move elsewhere the next season.
 
No offense, but this is off in many ways. #1 you are dictating what "winning" is which may mean one thing to you and something completely different to the team as clearly you are talking about a corporate setting and no where in your summary is any sort of collaboration. Morale on a team is driven by many factors, much of which comes down to culture. Furthermore when you make comments like "Most people have never won at anything in their life" or "...when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are loyal for life" you clearly do not get what makes teams thrive in today's working environment and appear, based on your wording, to think somehow you are superior to those who report to you while in no way displaying any semblance of servant leadership.

Now on to hockey. The first team I got drafted by had won the championship the year before and were looking to repeat. Everyone on the team knew their roles, the expectations and the goal which was to repeat - there was no room for anything less. The team was great in that it was my first year in the league and taught me what it took to be successful, but at the end we won the championship but would I ever want to be on that team again? The answer is simply, hell no. The culture of the team was rotten, the leadership did not care about the players, and anytime we lost a game someone had to be blamed and punished. There really was no "team" just a group of players who worked together to achieve victory and then hoped to move elsewhere the next season.

So trading Quick makes the Kings your minor league team? Nope.

People are loyal because they get all the credit and rewards for winning. Guarantee that most people have never won or been the best and don’t know what it takes to get there.

Back to the Kings. Good teams maximize the value of their assets. Bad teams don’t. It’s pretty simple.
 
Ha. If you only knew me. I have been leading teams for 25 years. You know what builds great morale? Winning. When I take over a new department or company I define what winning is and then ensure we get there. Do I fire people sometimes? Yep. Do my People love me? Yep. Most people have never won at anything in their life. So when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are often loyal for life.

My point is that good leaders do what it takes to win. Morale often follows winning. Do the Patriots have good morale? Or do players on their team like being on a winning team?

I am not saying Quick is not a leader. But so is Johnny Gadreau. You think that guy ia not leader?

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So trading Quick makes the Kings your minor league team? Nope.

People are loyal because they get all the credit and rewards for winning. Guarantee that most people have never won or been the best and don?t know what it takes to get there.

Back to the Kings. Good teams maximize the value of their assets. Bad teams don?t. It?s pretty simple.

I'm not trying to be a dick, but that's one-trick-pony management. You can't simply apply one style to every situation. Having led teams anywhere from infantry squads in combat to where I am now at a Fortune 15 company, I can tell you with absolute certainty that a good leader morphs their management style based on at least dozens of factors. Rule number 1 is that you must manage each individual differently...some don't care about winning, not one iota.

I'll give you a recent example (100% true story): One of my peers led a small team of 15 or so to 120% of their goals in year '21. He did it by yelling, beating his fist on the table, literally kicking trash cans and driving them like mules. They got solid bonuses and he truly believed his team absolutely adored him. In March he was removed from his position after numerous and collaborative HR complaints (I guess he did teach them to work together, lol) and now manages a team of 3 under the watchful eye of Human Resources. He's currently failing in his role as he has no other management styles available to him. I have no doubt he'll be terminated before the end of this year.

As you can see from this example, winning doesn't always precipitate morale, even in an office environment. In this case, if a team exhibits disloyalty to a guy who has been loyal to them for 15 years and then throws a rookie in to sink or swim, that room will be listless. So if you want to win you'll need to sign a big money goaltender via free agency.

By the way here are a few material facts (assuming Blake was foolish enough to take the deal at a reasonable price or another GM was foolish enough to pay the price you mentioned):

1) Blake loses a starting goalie who carries a cap hit of $5.8M with an actual salary of $2.5M. The bean-counters will eviscerate him.
2) Filling the void with a bridge solution would be an even bigger slap in the face to a guy whose jersey will be in the rafters soon.
3) Based on 4+ year UFA signings over the last year, a replacement starter is going to cost $5.5M...cash money, along with the cap (evisceration 2.0)
4) It's simply illogical when you know the following year+ is when you expect to truly be able to start making a run for the cup

So for a $300K cap hit benefit and 2 first round picks you have a goalie who:

1) hits the payroll for $3M more than his predecessor
2) is not the leader Quick is (few are)
3) is new to system
4) is new to the coaches, trainers and management staff
5) doesn't know his teammates personally, (let alone their positional tendencies), and
6) may not ever gel with the team

This is not a recipe for wins or morale. In fact, it's a recipe for delaying the rebuild by 3-5 years. On the other hand they'd have a much better chance of picking up Connor Bedard in the '23 draft.

Sorry dude, I know it's summer and all but that proposal is as about realistic as the Magic Mirror from Romper Room.

I'm done with this conversation so don't expect me to respond to any further rationalization. Once again, I suggest you put the shovel down, the hole you've dug for yourself is deep enough.

On a positive note, at least you generated a few dozen responses - LGK thanks you for the hits and momentary distraction from the doldrums of summer.

~s
 
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OMG!! I am your peer! Plot twist! I can’t believe we are both kings fans!

I'll give you a recent example (100% true story): One of my peers led a small team of 15 or so to 120% of their goals in year '21. He did it by yelling, beating his fist on the table, literally kicking trash cans and driving them like mules. They got solid bonuses and he truly believed his team absolutely adored him. In March he was removed from his position after numerous and collaborative HR complaints (I guess he did teach them to work together, lol) and now manages a team of 3 under the watchful eye of Human Resources. He's currently failing in his role as he has no other management styles available to him. I have no doubt he'll be terminated before the end of this year.
 
Ha. If you only knew me. I have been leading teams for 25 years. You know what builds great morale? Winning. When I take over a new department or company I define what winning is and then ensure we get there. Do I fire people sometimes? Yep. Do my People love me? Yep. Most people have never won at anything in their life. So when you lead them to a win and celebrate they are often loyal for life.

My point is that good leaders do what it takes to win. Morale often follows winning. Do the Patriots have good morale? Or do players on their team like being on a winning team?

I am not saying Quick is not a leader. But so is Johnny Gadreau. You think that guy ia not leader?

And there it is.
 
Any chance the Kings can get Barry Manilow to play in between periods for games?
I mean...it's so ...very...Barry
 
I think I just cried.....a tear just dripped from my eye...Damn you Jom....Damn you Barry!!!

I know I'd cry if I got the royalties he does every time you hear "Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there" on a commercial.

jom
 
I know I'd cry if I got the royalties he does every time you hear "Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there" on a commercial.

jom

So I had no idea what you were referencing in this post and had to google. Turns out Barry says he was paid $300 for the jingle and never receives any royalties. Thanks for that rabbit hole.

ps- Saw Barry in concert in LV about 8-10 years ago. Not a bad show.
 
If the kings were further in their progression and were close to being contenders, they have the asests to trade for Cam Talbot who is playing at high level and could carry this team to the next level.
 
So I had no idea what you were referencing in this post and had to google. Turns out Barry says he was paid $300 for the jingle and never receives any royalties. Thanks for that rabbit hole.

ps- Saw Barry in concert in LV about 8-10 years ago. Not a bad show.

Well, if that's the case....I'd still cry.

jom
 
Did we get hacked? Did the bots from Linkedin cross contaminate this board to show us the worst of both message boards? if so, ...[pfft]

As far as trading Quick,smh. Whomever would not be getting the same man. Bold statement: He's the Kings version of Stevie Y, held together by duct tape and spit and his sheer will to compete/honor his contract is his cross to bear. His teammates will not question him but they know if he gives less that 80% through no fault of his own, they are down six goals in the first.

let the man be.
 
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Jack Campbell just signed a 5x5 contract with the Oilers. Does anyone think either of our goalies are as good as him? Lol. I love Trevor Moore but I find it hard to believe Blake couldn’t have pried him out of Toronto without losing Campbell. So annoying.
 
Sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't do. Buehler, Buehler, anyone, anyone
 
Jack Campbell just signed a 5x5 contract with the Oilers. Does anyone think either of our goalies are as good as him? Lol. I love Trevor Moore but I find it hard to believe Blake couldn’t have pried him out of Toronto without losing Campbell. So annoying.

I like Campbell, he played real good with the Kings. Blake traded the wrong goalie.
 
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