Confirmed with Link Kings name Holland their 10th GM in History

DarkLeftHand said:
Instead of Marner, let’s go all in with Kings going hard for Kadri, Rasmus Andersson, and Byrum in trade, then sign Marchand at all costs.

If you need to make the money work, probably Danault has to go, which sucks but Kadri is a hard nosed player with way more offensive upside to slot in at 3C behind Kopi and QB(or push Kopi down to a very favorable 3C spot). I realize the trade costs would be high(Turcotte, Clarke, Greentree, one of our goalie prospects, lots of 1st round picks), but with this team’s regular season acumen, and subsequent crumbling in the playoffs, NOW is the time to seize a chance to win another Cup or two. A team led by Byfield and Clarke 3-4 years from now will be an absolute middle of the road club, especially if guys like Kempe and Fiala check out. The cap is projected to rise wildly in the next 2-3 years, so now is also an optimal time to grab players in their prime, and worry about how to make the money work later.

We desperately need bite and aggression that guys like Kadri and Marchand bring. Plus more puck moving skill out of the backend, so if Mikey Anderson needs to go, in order to replace him with one of the above defenders, I’m open to that as well.

For those who would cry about stripping the cupboards bare, my take is that once Kopitar and Doughty are done, this team is way overdue for a true, scorched earth rebuild. Unless we see actual results from Byfield and Clarke this season as true All Star type players, you’re just clinging to the illusion of hope that these guys are actual 1st line/top pairing players, and not foundational building blocks for a championship team
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This is close to a version of the approach I think Holland will take. I don’t believe he wanted Marner at 14M. I think he wants more pieces to fill holes hoping that will raise the overall play more than adding one superstar.

The question is can Holland close these types of deals? I think he’s going to get a couple of guys that he really wants but he’s also going to strikeout and a couple more.
 
Statue4Deano said:
This is close to a version of the approach I think Holland will take. I don’t believe he wanted Marner at 14M. I think he wants more pieces to fill holes hoping that will raise the overall play more than adding one superstar.

The question is can Holland close these types of deals? I think he’s going to get a couple of guys that he really wants but he’s also going to strikeout and a couple more.
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It is indeed the burning question. Is Calgary stripping down for a rebuild? Is Buffalo ripe to be fleeced? We can only hope.
 
LAKingSteve said:
One of my biggest concerns is Kempe. If the Kings don't improve significantly, what's the incentive to sign in LA when you can get as much money playing for a contender.
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Kempe is just what many eastern teams need. Rangers, Bruins, ‘Canes and Isles immediately come to mind… hope he means it when he says he wants to play his whole career as a King.
 
DarkLeftHand said:
Instead of Marner, let’s go all in with Kings going hard for Kadri, Rasmus Andersson, and Byrum in trade, then sign Marchand at all costs.

If you need to make the money work, probably Danault has to go, which sucks but Kadri is a hard nosed player with way more offensive upside to slot in at 3C behind Kopi and QB(or push Kopi down to a very favorable 3C spot). I realize the trade costs would be high(Turcotte, Clarke, Greentree, one of our goalie prospects, lots of 1st round picks), but with this team’s regular season acumen, and subsequent crumbling in the playoffs, NOW is the time to seize a chance to win another Cup or two. A team led by Byfield and Clarke 3-4 years from now will be an absolute middle of the road club, especially if guys like Kempe and Fiala check out. The cap is projected to rise wildly in the next 2-3 years, so now is also an optimal time to grab players in their prime, and worry about how to make the money work later.

We desperately need bite and aggression that guys like Kadri and Marchand bring. Plus more puck moving skill out of the backend, so if Mikey Anderson needs to go, in order to replace him with one of the above defenders, I’m open to that as well.

For those who would cry about stripping the cupboards bare, my take is that once Kopitar and Doughty are done, this team is way overdue for a true, scorched earth rebuild. Unless we see actual results from Byfield and Clarke this season as true All Star type players, you’re just clinging to the illusion of hope that these guys are actual 1st line/top pairing players, and not foundational building blocks for a championship team
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I've heard multiple folks say that the money they would have to spend on Marner could get them 2 solid forwards or a forward and a dman...plus you'd still have the cap space cleared from losing Gavi and trading Spence. There's plenty of money to get good players...but can they actually attract them?
 
LAKingSteve said:
I've heard multiple folks say that the money they would have to spend on Marner could get them 2 solid forwards or a forward and a dman...plus you'd still have the cap space cleared from losing Gavi and trading Spence. There's plenty of money to get good players...but can they actually attract them?
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Look at it this way, if Marner would cost you $14M would you rather spend it on him, or for 3 Warren Foegles to play in the bottom 6, and another Edmundson for the bottom pairing?

This is what I’ve been saying now for a bit.
 
LAKingSteve said:
I've heard multiple folks say that the money they would have to spend on Marner could get them 2 solid forwards or a forward and a dman...plus you'd still have the cap space cleared from losing Gavi and trading Spence. There's plenty of money to get good players...but can they actually attract them?
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Which is why i am suggesting we trade for those players. No need to attract them, if you obtain their rights via trade. kadri has 4 years left, rasmus andersson has only one left before UFA, and Im sure he will get paid well, but wouldn’t you rather spend 7-8 mill on a player like him rather than Gavrikov? Byram is currently an RFA with no contract, probably due a significant raise, but Clarke only has one cheap year left before he will be asking for a very large raise. Marchand would be the only mercenary you need to lure in for the upcoming season.
 
Birdman said:
Look at it this way, if Marner would cost you $14M would you rather spend it on him, or for 3 Warren Foegles to play in the bottom 6, and another Edmundson for the bottom pairing?

This is what I’ve been saying now for a bit.
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In a perfect world, if there were actually 3 Warren Foegeles up for UFA, I would 100% want all three of them at 3.5 mill apiece. In fact, I would trade Byfield for those 3 Foegeles without a second thought, if that’s what was required.
 
DarkLeftHand said:
Instead of Marner, let’s go all in with Kings going hard for Kadri, Rasmus Andersson, and Byrum in trade, then sign Marchand at all costs.

If you need to make the money work, probably Danault has to go, which sucks but Kadri is a hard nosed player with way more offensive upside to slot in at 3C behind Kopi and QB(or push Kopi down to a very favorable 3C spot). I realize the trade costs would be high(Turcotte, Clarke, Greentree, one of our goalie prospects, lots of 1st round picks), but with this team’s regular season acumen, and subsequent crumbling in the playoffs, NOW is the time to seize a chance to win another Cup or two. A team led by Byfield and Clarke 3-4 years from now will be an absolute middle of the road club, especially if guys like Kempe and Fiala check out. The cap is projected to rise wildly in the next 2-3 years, so now is also an optimal time to grab players in their prime, and worry about how to make the money work later.

We desperately need bite and aggression that guys like Kadri and Marchand bring. Plus more puck moving skill out of the backend, so if Mikey Anderson needs to go, in order to replace him with one of the above defenders, I’m open to that as well.

For those who would cry about stripping the cupboards bare, my take is that once Kopitar and Doughty are done, this team is way overdue for a true, scorched earth rebuild. Unless we see actual results from Byfield and Clarke this season as true All Star type players, you’re just clinging to the illusion of hope that these guys are actual 1st line/top pairing players, and not foundational building blocks for a championship team
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Not opposed to this in theory. I would prefer Miller though. Great combination of size, speed and skill. Great long stick work as well.

 
symbology said:
Not opposed to this in theory. I would prefer Miller though. Great combination of size, speed and skill. Great long stick work as well.

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Miller is the exact type of D man that will benefit from sheltered minutes in the Kings defensive first system. The less he has to think the better. His tools are off the charts but like most under-developed d-men he gets himself in trouble when he tries to do too much with the puck. The good news is his reach is ungodly and his stick work can rival prime Willie Mitchell.

It Gavrikov is gone I’d love to see trading for Miller move to the top of the priority list.
 
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Sounds like Holland is in fact pushing all his chips in.
 
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LAKingSteve said:
Hopefully this "I don't wanna play in LA" thing is a passing fad. This is what, 3 players now that we know of?
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I'm thinking it says a lot about the team itself when players won't sign or re-sign here. There are many factors that go into players choices in where they sign, but wanting to come to the rink every day has to factor highly in that decision.
 
LAKingSteve said:
Hopefully this "I don't wanna play in LA" thing is a passing fad. This is what, 3 players now that we know of?
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This is why it’s so important to keep our own guys who seem to love playing in LA (Jordan Spence). And why I wanted to open the bank vault for the one star UFA we heard was interested in LA (Marner). Instead Vegas took the lead and showed why they’re the better run franchise.

I’m am growing less optimistic about the Holland regime by the day.
 
Statue4Deano said:
This is why it’s so important to keep our own guys who seem to love playing in LA (Jordan Spence). And why I wanted to open the bank vault for the one star UFA we heard was interested in LA (Marner). Instead Vegas took the lead and showed why they’re the better run franchise.

I’m am growing less optimistic about the Holland regime by the day.
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His 2 year tenure could be one of complete mediocrity....and perhaps a big step back. We'll see what he can get done over the next few days. I'm not worried about Marner leaving IF he manages to pick up 2 solid offensive weapons with that money. I'm really worried about the D corp if Gavi walks. Again, he'll have to figure out how to load up from the outside because the answer isn't in the current lineup or farm system right now.
 
LAKingSteve said:
His 2 year tenure could be one of complete mediocrity....and perhaps a big step back. We'll see what he can get done over the next few days. I'm not worried about Marner leaving IF he manages to pick up 2 solid offensive weapons with that money. I'm really worried about the D corp if Gavi walks. Again, he'll have to figure out how to load up from the outside because the answer isn't in the current lineup or farm system right now.
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Many big ifs. By Thursday we’ll either have clarity or he will be in full Plan D, E, and F mode.

Hypothetically if the backend now included Ceci or Perbix and one of Miller/Byram, that’s arguably a comparable D that also addresses weaknesses from last year’s corps. Would add size on the third pair and mobility on the left side.

If upfront he picks up one of Boeser or Rakell then i like that more than Kuzmenko.

I’d like to see a heavy hitting 4th liner too. I’d guess this also has to be a priority though he only mentioned top 9 specifically.

There’s still potential for a decent roster. But again, it’s only ifs right now.
 
LAKingSteve said:
His 2 year tenure could be one of complete mediocrity....and perhaps a big step back. We'll see what he can get done over the next few days. I'm not worried about Marner leaving IF he manages to pick up 2 solid offensive weapons with that money. I'm really worried about the D corp if Gavi walks. Again, he'll have to figure out how to load up from the outside because the answer isn't in the current lineup or farm system right now.
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Seems like it always projected to be a big step backwards for the Organization in the future, with the success metric being to win the Cup within the next two seasons (and essentially handcuff the team thereafter with a yet even weaker prospect pool, traded away young talent for "win now" vets, and handcuffed contracts).

The biggest problem I see is that Ken is deferring a lot to others around him almost to the point of complete autonomy which, to me, says he either lacks a vision coming in or isn't all-in himself on this role. I also think he may not have fully realized how much players simply do not want to play in the west coast.
 
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