Punk...
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lunchbox
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haha, i read that. it's true... a lot of those bands do suck, but mr. brett is smart... he knows there's money in it. with all those crappy bands though, there are still some pretty good releases put out by epitaph. i think it's sort of presumptuous of the blogger to claim that the good acts associated with epitaph would leave if this were a lesser label based on the crappy bands that are also signed.
i will say though... epitaph records started following me on instagram, which i thought was cool... until i followed them back and they kept posting photos of this ugly guy:
uke:
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Salty Dog
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ucsdguy1
Super Star
I'm assuming that's the guy from Falling in Reverse they seem to have so much disdain for?i will say though... epitaph records started following me on instagram, which i thought was cool... until i followed them back and they kept posting photos of this ugly guy:
I like if you search for Artists on epitaph's site it's got the "alumni" at the bottom. I'm still waiting for the next Deviates album.....
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lagwagon0
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Meh, it doesn't really matter to me at all anymore. As long as I can continue to find tons of top notch albums on various labels released each year (which I easily can), I won't worry about who else is on the label. No one is forcing me to listen to the crappy music. And it gives me something to laugh at to myself.
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lunchbox
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nah, that's the guy from bring me the horizon, but they do all look alike. aside from appearances and music, i have no idea what the guy's personality is like. i just don't like looking at him, much less multiple times a day like it happened when his band took over the epitaph instagram for a day.
even before this article, i've heard the guy from falling in reverse is a douche though. he was involved in a shooting, served time and assaulted his gf. here's his mugshot.
that's pretty much the same sentiment i have.
orpheus
The Dolphin Cares!
Brett Gurewitz is a fellow Jew so I cut him some slack.
Yes, he needs to run a business and count numbers.
And maybe someone who isn't the best artist, but brings money to produce better, but less selling peeps?
He does it, he loves hardcore punk, but also has a label to run.
Us Jews are always crunching numbers.
It's sorta a Yiddish thing. Epitaph is awesome.
Yes, he needs to run a business and count numbers.
And maybe someone who isn't the best artist, but brings money to produce better, but less selling peeps?
He does it, he loves hardcore punk, but also has a label to run.
Us Jews are always crunching numbers.
It's sorta a Yiddish thing. Epitaph is awesome.
cant lie, its way too easy to love offspring and their shows. They're like the beach boys that way if you grew up in southern California.
Dave
Atomic Punch
Epitaph Records has sucked out load for 20+ years. Bad Religion hasn't put out a decent record since No Control. Sorry, no one is ever going to convince me otherwise. The problem is, there's no originality in punk. At least not anymore. It's all been done already by all the cool bands. How many more times can someone sing about straight edge, anarchy, the gov't & losing girlfriends without becoming stale? I got burnt out on the whole sxe scene in 1992. I was done. I couldn't relate to it anymore.
I suggest listening to the post punk/hardcore bands from the mid to late 80's & early 90's. The band's were more relatable (at least to me)because they sang about the real world. Bands such as rites of spring, fugazi, dag nasty, scream, verbal assault, three, jawbreaker, seaweed, jawbox, farside, etc.
If you want to listen to record that has a strong message about the haves & the have nots, then pick up "Setting Sons" by The Jam. It is my favorite record by them. It is their opus. Phenomenal from start to finish.
Sorry, rant off.
I suggest listening to the post punk/hardcore bands from the mid to late 80's & early 90's. The band's were more relatable (at least to me)because they sang about the real world. Bands such as rites of spring, fugazi, dag nasty, scream, verbal assault, three, jawbreaker, seaweed, jawbox, farside, etc.
If you want to listen to record that has a strong message about the haves & the have nots, then pick up "Setting Sons" by The Jam. It is my favorite record by them. It is their opus. Phenomenal from start to finish.
Sorry, rant off.
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lunchbox
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i don't buy records from epitaph that are punk in the true sense per se, but i can still listen to post punk/hardcore of the late 80s, early 90s (mostly revelation bands actually) and still enjoy new music. from epitaph, within the last year or two, i've bought albums from alkaline trio, the menzingers and the new bad religion. it's definitely not the same as old bad religion but i feel it's better than their last few and i enjoyed it. i've bought from other labels like bridge nine and sideonedummy and every now and then, i drop by revelation's mail distro headquarters because it's close by and i buy something. i don't think it's hard at all to find good new music to enjoy as long as you're not expecting things to be the same as they were 20-30, even 40 yrs ago.
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boy1der
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To some this may be true. To others (me) it's like fingernails on a chalkboard. Everyone has their own preferences, and I am POSITIVE that many people say that the bands I like suck. That's just how it is. I think what I find offensive is how ANY genre, no matter how "pure" it started out as...gets homogenized, and made over so it can be marketable. Nature of the beast really. I mean, to the kids today hearing their first punk song at 13 and maybe it happens to be a brand new Epitaph band that most people in here would say really sucks and is just a horrible copy of a copy of a poseur copy of a band that ripped off the Damned. Maybe to that kid who has NEVER heard anything but top 40 crap...that is a catharsis...a whole new world. Like when I heard Joy Division at age 8 or 9 in the late 70's and had my mind blown. My older sisters (10 and 15 years my seniors) thought it was crap...like it was just some dark Bowie/Lou Reed ripoff. Maybe to them it was. Maybe I was born lucky to just barely remember how punk was REALLY something new, refreshing, and invigorating. Maybe if I was born 30 years later I would have picked up Falling in Reverse and thought it was the best thing ever. Thank God I wasn't.
There are some really good bands out there, and for me some of the most exciting ones are very far from today's punk. Hell, very far from yesterday's punk too. 12 chords man...that's all you got. At some point, everything sounds like something else. The sooner you accept it, the better off your musical experiences will be. Stop looking for WHAT changed your life, and reflect on the WHY it changed your life. Then open your ears. You could get that feeling again, and being in my early 40's...I can't describe the feeling when I can hear a brand new tune from a brand new band that makes the hair on my neck stand up. It gives me some f****ng hope man. Someone can carry the torch.
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lagwagon0
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ucsdguy1
Super Star
aww...I guess they are a guilty pleasure for me. I like early offspring. Hell I even enjoy throwing on ixnay on the hombre every now and then. I just didn't like how they continually put out terrible joke songs as their singles.
of course I'm also a fan of the nitro records catalogue in many instances as well...
of course I'm also a fan of the nitro records catalogue in many instances as well...
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KingThomas
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Punk's not dead
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people
Who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive bright people out
Of our so-called scene
'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are do****
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliche
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everything
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage was a lot of fun."
[Chorus:]
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chicken**** conformist
Like your parents
What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Flipping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home, it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queerbashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is bull****
When it's under someone's fat boot
Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anything
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ourselves
[Chorus]
That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.
****-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metal-heads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past
[Chorus]
The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves
The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
[Chorus]
It just deserves to die
When it becomes another stale cartoon
A close-minded, self-centered social club
Ideas don't matter, it's who you know
If the music's gotten boring
It's because of the people
Who want everyone to sound the same
Who drive bright people out
Of our so-called scene
'Til all that's left Is just a meaningless fad
Hardcore formulas are do****
Change and caring are what's real
Is this a state of mind
Or just another label
The joy and hope of an alternative
Have become its own cliche
A hairstyle's not a lifestyle
Imagine Sid Vicious at 35
Who needs a scene
Scared to love and to feel
Judging everything
By loud fast rules appeal
Who played last night?
"I don't know, I forgot.
But diving off the stage was a lot of fun."
[Chorus:]
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
So eager to please
Peer pressure decrees
Make the same old mistakes
Again and again,
Chicken**** conformist
Like your parents
What's ripped us apart even more than drugs
Are the thieves and the goddamn liars
Flipping people off when they share their stuff
When someone falls are there any friends?
Harder core than thou for a year or two
Then it's time to get a real job
Others stay home, it's no fun to go out
When the gigs are wrecked by gangs and thugs
When the thugs form bands, look who gets record deals
From New York metal labels looking to scam
Who sign the most racist queerbashing bands they can find
To make a buck revving kids up for war
Walk tall, act small
Only as tough as gang approval
Unity is bull****
When it's under someone's fat boot
Where's the common cause
Too many factions
Safely sulk in their shells
Agree with us on everything
Or we won't help with anything
That kind of attitude
Just makes a split grow wider
Guess who's laughing while the world explodes
When we're all crybabies
Who fight best among ourselves
[Chorus]
That farty old rock and roll attitude's back
"It's competition, man, we wanna break big."
Who needs friends when the money's good
That's right, the '70s are back.
****-rock metal's like a bad laxative
It just don't move me, ya know?
The music's OK when there's more ideas than solos
Do we rally need the attitude too?
Shedding thin skin too quickly
As a fan it disappoints me
Same old stupid sexist lyrics
Or is Satan all you can think of?
Crossover is just another word
For lack of ideas
Maybe what we need
Are more trolls under the bridge
Will the metal-heads finally learn something-
Or will the punks throw away their education?
No one's ever the best
Once they believe their own press
"Maturing" don't mean rehashing
Mistakes of the past
[Chorus]
The more things change
The more they stay the same
We can't grow
When we won't criticize ourselves
The '60s weren't all failure
It's the '70s that stunk
As the clock ticks we dig the same hole
Music scenes ain't real life
They won't get rid of the bomb
Won't eliminate rape
Or bring down the banks
Any kind of real change
Takes more time and work
Than changing channels on a TV set
[Chorus]
It's pop punk!
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lagwagon0
Lurker
That's a whole discussion in itself but this is always who comes to mind for me. I think it's mainly a generational thing as well.
