The Avengers/Marvel movies

Okay, so did the recent slip up by Redford possibly set up a "Civil War" type story line for Avengers 2????? How awesome would that be...a CIVIL WAR movie!!!
 
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Ok...so to get the conversation rolling as far as spoilery Iron Man 3 stuff

Too much Pepper Potts...just don't care. And shoehorning her into the action at the end was sad.

I love Don Cheadle. NOT as War Machine. I read a review that said he should have been Stark's accountant. Man, if that ain't true? So passion free. He is capable of much better. I have to figure he was forced on Black and his disinterest shows in both the use of Iron Patriot(ugggh) and direction of Cheadle

The twist with the Mandarin was terribly clever/funny. BUT it completely neutered the movie. Pearce's Killitch was not strong enough an adversary. He was poorly conceived and executed. Pre-comic relief, the Mandarin was not only a very credible take on a difficult character to translate, but also a seriously frightening threat...it was something special. And you need a strong villain to make a strong movie. Once he became Trevor, you really had nothing to fear.

TOO DAMNED MANY IRON MEN. Look, Shane Black clearly is not a superhero movie kind of guy. Too busy being clever to resolve a strong villain, and no concept of how a concluding 'boss scene' should take place between the HERO and the VILLAIN. That ending was just a frikking 'superheroes on ice' segment almost Schumaker like in its over complexity. Everything suspended in the air, set on fire with indistinguishable empty IM suits flying/blasting/exploding...just too busy and trying to generate drama by taking the kitchen sink approach.

What was with the bad DoubleDragon/Iron Fist tatts on Killian???? That was unexplained and distracting.

Just another movie where the superhero(meaning main character in his costume) part covers about 10 total minutes. Thanks Chris Nolan.

Its funny that they are pandering to China with this...because it really is equivalent to that old joke...a half hour after watching this it slid right out of memory. As the days went by I found myself getting angrier with it and liking it less and less.

so, lets chat guys.
 
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jerseydevil said:
I enjoyed it too...BUT it ended the movie.
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I agree that the ending was bleh and they didn't know how to finish the flick... but I think it could have very easily been accomplished and frankly I'm just used to the ends of Super Hero movies sucking balls because.....

let's face it........

it's all pretty preposterous and we all know the good guys are coming out unscathed. So...................... who cares?

You seem to dislike the fact that the actual "supersuits" don't show up much in modern superhero movies... but I love it.

I'm FAR more interested in RDJ Tony Stark than I am in CGIron Man and I was much more interested in Bruce Wayne Begins than I was in the Dark Knight Rises Batman.

As usual I think it's all about expectations and what the movie is reaching for. I went into CGIron Man 3 expecting to really enjoy RDJ and his chemistry with everybody, see some 'splosions and find out what's up with The Mandarin.

Turns out I still love RDJ, I still love 'splosions and I still love Ben Kingsley completely subverting my expectations about what I thought was going to be a pretty standardly boring piece of **** villain.

And in retrospect here's another opportunity they missed.

To help explain the lack of Captain America, Hawkeye, Black Widow et al....... instead of JUST sending the Iron Patriot overseas hunting down the Mandarin they could have spent 90 seconds making it a full blown global man hunt for a guy that, it turns out, didn't really exist.

You would acknowledge the expanded MARVEL film Universe while simultaneously explaining why they weren't present for the abduction of THE PRESIDENT OF THE GODDAMNED UNITED STATES OF MOTHER ****ING AMERICA.

But other than that I have no thoughts on the matter. Right now. I think.
 
I just think that the ratio of RDJCGIM to RDJsleepwalking thru a movie should have been a little more close. The whole middle act with the kid was ridiculous. How come he never faced danger from the shrapnel when his power got so low? And the postscript. Oh, let's just take the shrapnel out...

WHAT THE ****? So he chose to fly around with the threat to his life???? I get your complaints about the logic in these movies, but there is a point where enough is too much. This movie had one trick that the whole house of cards was predicated on...and that was the Mandarin. Everything else was a hollow construct so that Shane Black could pull off his little sleight of hand. So, when you remove that and actually look at everything else...this movie was barely thought out. Every character a plot device and a poor one at that. Maybe that's why RDJ seemed disinterested...Don Cheadle seemed like he was doing his grocery list mentally. At least Pearce TRIED to chew scenery but his character was so wafer thin that it had no weight whatsoever. James Badge Dale as his henchmen actually came off the best of the whole lot. He seemed engaged most of the time. But explain to me how you have GREAT character actors like William Sadler and Miguel Ferrer and do NOTHING with them Miguel Ferrer barely had a grunted monosyllabic line. And the Christmas motif in the beginning of summer was about as ridiculous as it gets.
 
I get all that and I won't argue a bit of it.

But...

Iron Man...................



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The number of ****s I give about ****ty superhero movies exponentially increases by quantum degrees of ZERO for each sequel that follows them.
 
jerseydevil said:
Ok...so to get the conversation rolling as far as spoilery Iron Man 3 stuff

Too much Pepper Potts...just don't care. And shoehorning her into the action at the end was sad.

I love Don Cheadle. NOT as War Machine. I read a review that said he should have been Stark's accountant. Man, if that ain't true? So passion free. He is capable of much better. I have to figure he was forced on Black and his disinterest shows in both the use of Iron Patriot(ugggh) and direction of Cheadle

The twist with the Mandarin was terribly clever/funny. BUT it completely neutered the movie. Pearce's Killitch was not strong enough an adversary. He was poorly conceived and executed. Pre-comic relief, the Mandarin was not only a very credible take on a difficult character to translate, but also a seriously frightening threat...it was something special. And you need a strong villain to make a strong movie. Once he became Trevor, you really had nothing to fear.

TOO DAMNED MANY IRON MEN. Look, Shane Black clearly is not a superhero movie kind of guy. Too busy being clever to resolve a strong villain, and no concept of how a concluding 'boss scene' should take place between the HERO and the VILLAIN. That ending was just a frikking 'superheroes on ice' segment almost Schumaker like in its over complexity. Everything suspended in the air, set on fire with indistinguishable empty IM suits flying/blasting/exploding...just too busy and trying to generate drama by taking the kitchen sink approach.

What was with the bad DoubleDragon/Iron Fist tatts on Killian???? That was unexplained and distracting.
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You nailed it thus far, as far as pointing out the flaws. The mandarin storyline had a funny payoff, but ultimately they exchanged a strong villain with another generic superhuman with bad intentions and questionable motivation. Don Cheadle/Iron Patriot and Potts were meh. The Iron Man army was somewhat interesting visually, but ultimately not engaging at all and dragged on forever.

jerseydevil said:
Just another movie where the superhero(meaning main character in his costume) part covers about 10 total minutes. Thanks Chris Nolan.
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That was a big plus for me, I find Tony Stark way more interesting than Iron Man. When he's in the suit it's probably gonna be an action scene and while it is nice to have those every now and then, they get boring quickly. One thing that was kind of clever was how they made fun of the old clich? of having a kid help the hero out, eventually forming a partnership of some sort. Instead Stark essentially told him to **** off which I found amusing.

But like I said in a previous post, the movie is somewhat entertaining but absolutely flawed and quite forgettable. It's alright.
 
Thought IronWoman was lame. Liked Guy Pearce as bad guy on fire better when Kevin Bacon did it in X Men.

I thought the Mandarin twist was clever if only because it was something you weren't expecting. Having said that, it totally took the balls out of the film and made it just Sam Rockwell Returns but with more charm and weird tattoos. "Hey guys I'm Tony Starks demons from 1999 that he created....but, you know...the same demons he had in the last movie."

They really could have made the Mandarin an ACTUAL baddie that RDJ had to find and confront without the twist of it all. Would have made for a more interesting villain.

Did I mention that I thought IronWoman was really stupid? I mean, REALLY stupid?
 
This is interesting.

I thought Killian/Mandarin was a totally compelling and interesting character twist........

UNTIL Killian started breathing fire and heat punching people in the face.

I would have much rather seen a finale that didn't feature a fist fight on a 'splosion farm with the POTUS strung up in the sky.
 
And...the Extremis thing. Ok, first of all Rebecca Hall(? that's her name ain't it)'s character was yet another empty plot driving contrivance. First she's good then she's bad then she's good...whatever. Nobody has even mentioned her so she really made an impact. And yeah, Pearce breathing fire etc...the whole point was that the tech was unstable, Hence the human bomb conveniences and Hall's struggle to get Stark to solve the flaw. Yet...Killian and his associate seemed to not only have it under control, but their side effects were corraled into powers. With no explanation whatsoever. This movie was constantly feeding me **** and telling me it was ice cream. Sorry Doc, but a 3rd movie has to strive to be special to justify itself. I don't buy in on the dimisnhing returns thing and therefore write them a pass. This movie was LAZY. And it was trying too hard to be cutesy. I already saw Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and it was a much better movie. And sorry SK, but as much as I love Pearce he can't even be in the same room as Rockwell. Two of my faves were in #2, him and Mickey...go back and rewatch, I guarantee you it's a more satisfying movie.
 
jerseydevil said:
And...the Extremis thing. Ok, first of all Rebecca Hall(? that's her name ain't it)'s character was yet another empty plot driving contrivance. First she's good then she's bad then she's good...whatever. Nobody has even mentioned her so she really made an impact. And yeah, Pearce breathing fire etc...the whole point was that the tech was unstable, Hence the human bomb conveniences and Hall's struggle to get Stark to solve the flaw. Yet...Killian and his associate seemed to not only have it under control, but their side effects were corraled into powers. With no explanation whatsoever. This movie was constantly feeding me **** and telling me it was ice cream. Sorry Doc, but a 3rd movie has to strive to be special to justify itself. I don't buy in on the dimisnhing returns thing and therefore write them a pass. This movie was LAZY. And it was trying too hard to be cutesy. I already saw Kiss Kiss Bang Bang and it was a much better movie. And sorry SK, but as much as I love Pearce he can't even be in the same room as Rockwell. Two of my faves were in #2, him and Mickey...go back and rewatch, I guarantee you it's a more satisfying movie.
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I just mean it was the same character. Rich guy mad at Tony Stark hires someone to be bad.
 
Well yeah...but Rockwell is better :yo:

And Brownie, if you want to see a superhero movie that's not got much superhero in it...why are you going to a superhero movie?
 
jerseydevil said:
Well yeah...but Rockwell is better :yo:

And Brownie, if you want to see a superhero movie that's not got much superhero in it...why are you going to a superhero movie?
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Oh no doubt. I still can't shake Guy Pearce as being the good cop after LA Confidential. So, him as a baddie doesn't work for me. I mean, I had fun at the movie, don't get me wrong. Just felt like everyone was cashing checks though.
 
jerseydevil said:
Well yeah...but Rockwell is better :yo:

And Brownie, if you want to see a superhero movie that's not got much superhero in it...why are you going to a superhero movie?
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That's fair. I'm generally not actually a big fan of superhero movies. I didn't like any of the spiderman, hulk, superman, fantastic four, punisher, daredevil, hellboy, ghost rider movies. I'm sure I'm forgetting some :)

I'm just saying my least favorite parts of Iron Man were the sequences where he was in the suit (or controlling it). I enjoy everything around it, him working on and trying out different parts, tinkering... everything like that is fine and can be interesting. It's just when the suit is fully on he's an expressionless unstoppable CGI fighting machine and I didn't really care for the action scenes in this particular movie. As I've previously mentioned the final showdown was tiresome with an endless supply of battle suits bailing him out at any point of danger and the scene with him saving people falling out of an airplane was laughable. "I'm gonna apply an electric pulse through your body so your hand won't let go of the person you're holding on to", are you kidding me? His home getting attacked was pretty good though, but then again he wasn't fully suited up for that one until the very end.
 
BigBrown said:
That's fair. I'm generally not actually a big fan of superhero movies. I didn't like any of the spiderman, hulk, superman, fantastic four, punisher, daredevil, hellboy, ghost rider movies. I'm sure I'm forgetting some :)

I'm just saying my least favorite parts of Iron Man were the sequences where he was in the suit (or controlling it). I enjoy everything around it, him working on and trying out different parts, tinkering... everything like that is fine and can be interesting. It's just when the suit is fully on he's an expressionless unstoppable CGI fighting machine and I didn't really care for the action scenes in this particular movie. As I've previously mentioned the final showdown was tiresome with an endless supply of battle suits bailing him out at any point of danger and the scene with him saving people falling out of an airplane was laughable. "I'm gonna apply an electric pulse through your body so your hand won't let go of the person you're holding on to", are you kidding me? His home getting attacked was pretty good though, but then again he wasn't fully suited up for that one until the very end.
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Speaking of that part...felt like they went to the well too often. It was like...Iron Man got hit by a truck!!! Psych. Iron Man died this way! Nope. So on and so on. Felt like it cheapened the dramatic.
 
The highlights of the movie were Ben Kingsley (him unexpectedly coming out of the bathroom after taking a dump cracked me up) and the small scene where the guy who was talking to his mom on his cell freaked out when he saw Tony Stark. Other than that, everything JD has said. Though I agree with Doc that I prefer more character and less superhero. That makes the superhero parts special.
 
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