The Trade Deadline Thread

[kingsjohn]

I am a big fan of keeping homegrown talent. That is why I hated to see Vilardi and vowels go. Kupari not so much. I realize Moore wasn't technically "homegrown" but he hasn't played in the NHL other than with LA.

If you go back to the 2012 Cup team, I counted 12 guys on that squad that were homegrown.

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The fiala trade is looking really bad. Faber has more points that Fiala, at a fraction of the cost.
We would have been much better off keeping Faber and the 1st and using the assets and $$ that we used to acquire Gavrikov to shore up the goaltending.

The front office is very guilty of going out and getting players , but not looking at what is between the ears. Both Fiala and PLD are on their third organizations in the mid twenties. It's like Blake learned nothing from Lombardi

 

[JayWells24]

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The fiala trade is looking really bad. Faber has more points that Fiala, at a fraction of the cost.
We would have been much better off keeping Faber and the 1st and using the assets and $$ that we used to acquire Gavrikov to shore up the goaltending.

The front office is very guilty of going out and getting players , but not looking at what is between the ears. Both Fiala and PLD are on their third organizations in the mid twenties. It's like Blake learned nothing from Lombardi

Very well said.

 

[Statue4Deano]

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The fiala trade is looking really bad. Faber has more points that Fiala, at a fraction of the cost.
We would have been much better off keeping Faber and the 1st and using the assets and $$ that we used to acquire Gavrikov to shore up the goaltending.

The front office is very guilty of going out and getting players , but not looking at what is between the ears. Both Fiala and PLD are on their third organizations in the mid twenties. It's like Blake learned nothing from Lombardi

Do you think that Blake wanted to trade Faber? They reportedly tried multiple times to sign him but he wasn’t interested.

If he isn’t interested in signing after 2 years the window to get a good return on him was closing rapidly. The kid was ecstatic to join the Wild organization and he still insisted on playing a 3rd season for Minnesota.

What would you be saying if Faber goes unsigned by the Kings and he ends up playing for the Wild anyway? A very plausible outcome.

 

[VCRW]

Do you think that Blake wanted to trade Faber? They reportedly tried multiple times to sign him but he wasn’t interested.

If he isn’t interested in signing after 2 years the window to get a good return on him was closing rapidly. The kid was ecstatic to join the Wild organization and he still insisted on playing a 3rd season for Minnesota.

What would you be saying if Faber goes unsigned by the Kings and he ends up playing for the Wild anyway? A very plausible outcome.

Faber said he was going back to University of Minnesota for his senior year rather than join the Kings. Had that occurred, Faber would then have become a UFA at the end of his senior year. Blake had to trade him.

 

[Statue4Deano]

Faber said he was going back to University of Minnesota for his senior year rather than join the Kings. Had that occurred, Faber would then have become a UFA at the end of his senior year. Blake had to trade him.

You’ve got to believe these kids when they say they won’t sign. It’s better to trade them and turn the page then being stubborn and losing them for nothing.

 

[kingsjohn]

Do you think that Blake wanted to trade Faber? They reportedly tried multiple times to sign him but he wasn’t interested.

If he isn’t interested in signing after 2 years the window to get a good return on him was closing rapidly. The kid was ecstatic to join the Wild organization and he still insisted on playing a 3rd season for Minnesota.

What would you be saying if Faber goes unsigned by the Kings and he ends up playing for the Wild anyway? A very plausible outcome.

From every report out there, the bolded part was untrue and that Faber was shocked he was traded and had planned to play for the Kings

 

[symbology]

From every report out there, the bolded part was untrue and that Faber was shocked he was traded and had planned to play for the Kings

I never heard that. All I really heard was he did not want to sign when the Kings offered him a spot on the NHL roster. Not saying you are wrong, just have not heard that. If true, Blake is even a bigger idiot.

 

[kingsjohn]

I never heard that. All I really heard was he did not want to sign when the Kings offered him a spot on the NHL roster. Not saying you are wrong, just have not heard that. If true, Blake is even a bigger idiot.

On that topic....

The timing part I am unsure of. Timing being he wanted one more year of NCAA hockey
But what has been disproven was the rumors that he wouldn't sign in LA.

 

[Statue4Deano]

On that topic....

The timing part I am unsure of. Timing being he wanted one more year of NCAA hockey
But what has been disproven was the rumors that he wouldn't sign in LA.

How do you disprove something that actually never happened? He didn’t actually sign with the Kings. He signed with the Wild.

It’s very easy to believe that the Kings tried to sign him because a) he was a highly talented prospect b) the organization had a particular need at his position and with his skills c) one of his best friends said he expected Brock to go pro after his Freshman year. How would that be possible without an offer from the Kings?

Brock’s story is very similar to Jack Johnson’s. He loved the college experience and he wanted as much of it as he could get. So it’s not that Brock would never sign with the Kings. Just like it was not that Jack Johnson would never sign with the Hurricanes. It was holding onto the prospect was increasingly risky because they have an automatic out from team control after year 4 post draft.

 

[VCRW]

On that topic....

The timing part I am unsure of. Timing being he wanted one more year of NCAA hockey
But what has been disproven was the rumors that he wouldn't sign in LA.

All I heard before the deal was that he wanted one more year in college in order to become a free agent. If that had happened there was no deal in place to then sign with the Kings. Hockey talking heads were heaping praise on Blake at the time of the trade for getting something big for Faber before he disappeared into the ether. Everyone was also saying how the deal benefited both teams because the Wild got the cap hit reduction they desperately needed.

 

[Bill Hicks]

I think Roy is looking for a big pay day. There have been stretches were he is really pushing the offense. Blowing the zone early etc. Just my opinion. Gavi got his money, and Roy wants his. Rob cannot afford it though.

That's the system, no question he looks out for himself. Who wouldn't?

 

[Sultanic]

All I heard before the deal was that he wanted one more year in college in order to become a free agent. If that had happened there was no deal in place to then sign with the Kings. Hockey talking heads were heaping praise on Blake at the time of the trade for getting something big for Faber before he disappeared into the ether. Everyone was also saying how the deal benefited both teams because the Wild got the cap hit reduction they desperately needed.

This has been proved false over and over yet for some reason it keeps getting repeated. Sorry VCRW, but your post is wildly inaccurate.

Faber wanted to go back to school for one more year. He didn't sign with Minnesota either. He was very upset and surprised by the trade. He just wanted one more to try and win a collegiate title. The quote from Faber at news of the trade was "I can't believe that they didn't want me".

There never was a problem, this is a stand up kid a future captain and Norris contender. He is very likely to be the best player drafted by this team since Doughty and was traded for pennies on the dollar so they could add a flashy offensive player who is incapable of playing with other skilled players who need the puck.

Its the worst trade the Kings have made in at least 20 years. A stud two-way defender who shuts down the best on the opposition 25 minutes a night as a rookie for a 2nd liner with exceptional skills but p*ss poor judgement whose selfish play has been a significant problem in the lockerroom.

Oh, and the defenseman has outscored the winger by 6 points so far in 2024.

 

[VCRW]

This has been proved false over and over yet for some reason it keeps getting repeated. Sorry VCRW, but your post is wildly inaccurate.

Faber wanted to go back to school for one more year. He didn't sign with Minnesota either. He was very upset and surprised by the trade. He just wanted one more to try and win a collegiate title. The quote from Faber at news of the trade was "I can't believe that they didn't want me".

There never was a problem, this is a stand up kid a future captain and Norris contender. He is very likely to be the best player drafted by this team since Doughty and was traded for pennies on the dollar so they could add a flashy offensive player who is incapable of playing with other skilled players who need the puck.

Its the worst trade the Kings have made in at least 20 years. A stud two-way defender who shuts down the best on the opposition 25 minutes a night as a rookie for a 2nd liner with exceptional skills but p*ss poor judgement whose selfish play has been a significant problem in the lockerroom.

Oh, and the defenseman has outscored the winger by 6 points so far in 2024.

I'm not defending the trade nor Blake. I am just relating what I heard from mainstream hockey media like NHL Network and local sources like The Mayor and Dooley. It seems other people heard the story the same way as well. And I agree that the trade has lost its luster rather quickly. Last season was enough Fiala for me. PLD has been the icing on the cake of disappointment.

The team now is all about individuals. They don't play for or with each other as they did at the beginning of the season. Glad to see the lines shaken up today. Hiller should swap Roy and Doughty too. New faces. New opportunities. Can't hurt.

 

[Clif]

This has been proved false over and over yet for some reason it keeps getting repeated. Sorry VCRW, but your post is wildly inaccurate.

Faber wanted to go back to school for one more year. He didn't sign with Minnesota either. He was very upset and surprised by the trade. He just wanted one more to try and win a collegiate title. The quote from Faber at news of the trade was "I can't believe that they didn't want me".

There never was a problem, this is a stand up kid a future captain and Norris contender. He is very likely to be the best player drafted by this team since Doughty and was traded for pennies on the dollar so they could add a flashy offensive player who is incapable of playing with other skilled players who need the puck.

Its the worst trade the Kings have made in at least 20 years. A stud two-way defender who shuts down the best on the opposition 25 minutes a night as a rookie for a 2nd liner with exceptional skills but p*ss poor judgement whose selfish play has been a significant problem in the lockerroom.

Oh, and the defenseman has outscored the winger by 6 points so far in 2024.

I had a few things to say in the Fire Coach thread about this trade so I’m taking the liberty to interject here.

Sultanic - you’re not the only person on here to say Faber was disappointed, but none of you have provided a source to back this up.

All that’s readily available that I’ve found is Faber talking about how special the trade was and how he always wanted to play for the Wild. Here’s a YouTube clip and a article - both the day after the trade - where he’s clearly psyched. Very short window for him to say he was bummed or shocked. if it exists, it must be somewhere. Otherwise:

Media scrum after trade

Twin Cities article

Also, here’s a picture I posted. This was taken when Faber was already a Kings prospect. Yes, he wore the Wild gear and cheered his head off for another team as a Kings prospect. In the YouTube clip I linked, he laughs about how this picture circulated with his friends the minute they heard about the trade.

And it’s a fact via Hoven that Faber met with Blake at a Wild game and he opted not to sign and play with the Kings for their playoff run the first go with the Oil. Btw - he would have been guaranteed big minutes with Doughty hurt.

Maybe he’d sign with the Kings anyway, but it was getting real dicey and it looks to be very apparent he loved the idea of playing for the Wild. All points to a true win-win trade for Blake.

 

[Halfwall]

Faber was never going to sign with the Kings and everyone knows it. I think that was a great trade by Blake. The people that claim Blake was stupid are just pissed that he didn't lose Faber for nothing--so they could laugh at him.

 

[DryKing]

Maybe he’d sign with the Kings anyway, but it was getting real dicey and it looks to be very apparent he loved the idea of playing for the Wild. All points to a true win-win trade for Blake.

Yep, I think this is the key point. I read as many articles as I could on it after seeing that picture, and two things were obvious:

1) he wanted to play for the Wild and one day was determined to get there
2) he said he was surprised when he found out about the trade (very unclear if he meant surprised in which he didn't see a trade coming, or surprised as in he won the lottery)

Faber did want another shot at the title, but many of his teammates in the same position did as well but ended up signing with their NHL teams. Simply said, he may have signed with LA in the sort term, but it would have been a big gamble on Blake's part to wait on potentially walk away with nothing. It was clear, though, that Faber never thought of LA as "his team".

Heck going back to Doughty, he spoke pre-draft on how much he loved the Kings growing up and wanted to be in LA should they draft him. That's usually the kind of talk you see from a player who is ready to commit to a team if selected. Faber, however, always projected as though he wanted to be in Minnesota and only Minnesota.

“Being a Minnesota kid and playing at the University of Minnesota and now with the Minnesota Wild it’s obvious people from Minnesota love that. Fans. Even my friends and family and having them all so close, it is a whole lot different than it would be if I was in L.A.,” Faber said. “This is the State of Hockey and it’s the State of Hockey for a reason. It’s everything I could have imagined. But again all you think about is how happy would those fans be if you could bring back a Cup. That’s the main goal and that would be the coolest thing in the world, obviously. Yeah. it’s the State of Hockey. It’s special to be here and I’m so grateful for it.”

Brock Faber Takes Nothing for Granted | Minnesota Wild

Scott Burnside will be following defenseman Brock Faber through Training Camp

www.nhl.com

 

[Sultanic]

Brock Faber, the Frozen Four and a shot at a Minnesota 'dream come true' before joining the Wild

Faber is expected to sign with the Wild after his junior Gophers season but for now "has his eye on the ball because there's no other ball."

theathletic.com

 

[Sultanic]

Brock Faber, the Frozen Four and a shot at a Minnesota 'dream come true' before joining the Wild

Faber is expected to sign with the Wild after his junior Gophers season but for now "has his eye on the ball because there's no other ball."

theathletic.com

Read this, tells you everything you need to know.

 

[Sultanic]

I'm not defending the trade nor Blake. I am just relating what I heard from mainstream hockey media like NHL Network and local sources like The Mayor and Dooley. It seems other people heard the story the same way as well. And I agree that the trade has lost its luster rather quickly. Last season was enough Fiala for me. PLD has been the icing on the cake of disappointment.

The team now is all about individuals. They don't play for or with each other as they did at the beginning of the season. Glad to see the lines shaken up today. Hiller should swap Roy and Doughty too. New faces. New opportunities. Can't hurt.

And forgive me for singling out your post, it was the most convenient to quote.

Love,

Blando.

 

[santiclaws]

I'm not going to look for it again, but recently when we were talking about this trade, I saw a quote from his parents from the time of the trade and the word they used about his reaction was "devastated." Take it FWIW.

That said, no one expected him to be this good at the time. He was projected as a solid top-4 guy, not the All-Star level player he is looking like now. It was widely viewed as a damn good deal for the Kings.