Trade Quick? Yep!
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Mr_Conie
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Nah man I started watching when it was Fiset/Storr and JQ is going to play every last game as a King. We might never see another one like him.
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Illegal_Stick
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Well they were and they weren't. Quick earned his contract, Brown sure as hell did also. Gaborik's contract was an insane contract that shouldn't have happened. On the flip side, Richards wasn't treated with loyalty, Williams wasn't (let go for nothing with no real offer,) Brown was absolutely humiliated. Voynov got loyalty for some reason. DL talked a big game about loyalty, but I'd say Blake is right in the middle of the two scenarios you stated - too loyal and not loyal enough. And I say this as someone who loved DL and couldn't stand Blake. Have to give credit where it's due. Blake has handled the core four properly and all these young guys will grow up with the team watching how well they were treated.
DryKing
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Agreed, though the Richards contract was specifically what I was thinking of when I referenced too much player loyalty. At the time everyone knew something was off with Richards and it was time to take a step back and properly evaluate. Lombardi seemed to be on the same page, then had a 1:1 meeting with Richards and ended up signing him to a monster contract. It really made zero sense as at best he should have offered him a 1 year contract to further evaluate if the rumors were true, but instead he ended up going all in and regretted it. Once it put his own job at jeopardy, then I agree with you the loyalty ended.
The Brown/Sutter thing is just sad. Really wonder if Sutter had any influence on Johnny G deciding to leave and go elsewhere.
Regarding Richards: DL did not sign him to any contract. That contract came with MR from Philly. In the summer of 2014, the Kings had the option to buy out Richards with an amnesty buyout (all teams had two of these opportunities between 2013 and 2014 after the 2012 lockout). DL did NOT buy him out, which was obviously a huge mistake in retrospect.
HeadInjury
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I don't see any trade being made and I expect Quick to get a one-year extension at least. We don't really have a problem in goal right now. The Petersen contract amount was a mistake but the jury is still out on him. His stats were pretty bad with a GAA of 2.90 and a save % of .895, but a healthier defense would have helped those numbers.
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Illegal_Stick
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As stated, it wasn't a new contract, but the decision not to buy out, but still the gist of what you're saying is right. It was a poor decision... but I could've lived with it, if DL had stuck beside Richards through his issues. I could've forgiven it if he said I am never having that POS Voynov skate for this team again. There was a lot of hypocrisy from him and his decisions by the end - including completely ravaging the cupboards of all prospects etc.
Not saying DL is a bad guy, think he just got caught up in winning and found himself flailing. I'm sure he'd do things different if he could do it again - if he ever got another shot.
As for Gaudreau - I have been wondering the same thing since he said he wouldn't sign. What did he leave - 20 million on the table? Sutter seems to be to be someone who can come in and change things for your team, but once he settles in, it can be tough playing for him. Maybe not, could simply be the decision to play in the states, but sometimes we forget that Sutter guided this team to its greatest successes and was still locked out of the dressing room by the team who had clearly had enough of him.
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spudboy
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No! Quick stays!
DryKing
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Totally agree with you. To me Lombardi always seemed like the type of guy who was diehard loyal to his players unless he percieved any twinge of disloyalty from a player, at which point he'd fully unleash. To me, that was the key difference leading to how he managed the Voynov and Richards situation; Richards he felt betrayed him. At the end, though, like you said he, was so busy trying to keep the success going that he focused 100% on the present and not at all on the future.
Sutter is a great coach but still very old school which a lot of players today struggle to handle (still the best coach we've ever had imo). Johnny G's name has been in trade rumors for quite some time in Calgary, so while I agree the main driver is likely that he wanted to play closer to home - I don't think the Organization did a good job of building trust. Eventually those perpetual trade rumors plant seeds which grow, but wow that's a lot of money to leave on the table.
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MBX5
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So I have a trade idea. Trade Quick to Edmonton for two firsts or first and a prospect.
Quick saves us $5.8M this year.
We take the $5.8m saved and our remaining cap and sign Forsberg or Gadreau at $10m x 7 years.
I realize a full season of Peterson is a gamble? but it sure would be a fun season.
I fully expect LGK to flameaway. Be gentle.
Ahhh, no?
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K-Man #32
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Quick stays, Cal is Peter****
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waynet
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Quick has 3 five holes so far today, neither Kings goaltender looks very good at this point in the practice games.
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MBX5
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Seeing it live today and without the benefit of much in the way of instant replay, from my perspective, the only one he arguably should?ve had was the third. On the first, in particular, the defense let him down big time.
Oof... That was a rough time to become a Kings fan.
STONE
My goal is to stop yours
For sure! But hey, Fiset was good! He just had bad knees, and a super crappy team in front of him. Look at what we did to DaFoe's psyche! (;
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kIngsX
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Pretty sure Edmonton feels happy with their goalies
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Pickle_Pucks
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The entire season hinges on Quick staying healthy. Healthy I'm not concerned about his play I think with the system, he's got it in him, healthy.
And this statement highlights the Kings major weakness right now. Quick is still all-world calibre, but the Kings are one pulled groin (or any injury really) away from being in trouble in goal. Cal has yet to show he can be a true #1 . He was decent, even good as a backup last year, and the Kings don't make the playoffs without him, but I have doubts if the Kings could ride him to the playoffs. Also, as has been pointed out, the heir to Quick is not yet apparent. Back around 2007, all the talk was about the "bridge to Bernier", meaning who would manage the goal until Jonathan Bernier (the apparent long-term solution in goal) was ready. We all know how that played out, but right now, after Quick, all I'm seeing, right now, is a bridge to nowhere.
DryKing
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Fiset will always be one of my favorite goalies because every time I saw him he was smiling. Man that guy really loved the game...
Problem is that we, as fans, don't see Petersen as the heir apparent but Kings leadership has gone all in on him. It's interesting to think of how many opportunities we've had the past few drafts to pull in high goaltending talent and passed on it because we already had our guy. On the bright side, Petersen is extremely technically sound and a cerebral goalie so odds are at some point he is going to put it all together and wow us - but in order for that to happen we will need to have had the memory of Quick fade a bit (as he is truly world class and we've been extremely spoiled) and he needs a very disciplined team infront of him.
When I look at his potential career path, Manny Legace comes to mind for some reason. I think he will find a solid place in the NHL but it will be relatively short lived compared to the greats.
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AngelEyes
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You can say this about 3/4s of the teams in the league.
