The Trade Deadline Thread
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Bollocks
Top Forward
Wait, wouldn't this work:
Left shot: Mikey, Gavrikov, Englund, Moverare
Right shot: Drew, Spence, Clarke
I don't recall Moverare being out of his depth at the NHL level.
Or are we worried about Ontario being left with scrubs that are all left shot?
Birdman
TEAM LGK
It would, but I don’t think Clarke is ready for 2nd pairing minutes just yet. The way the rotation is set now is working.
Clarke’s wandering reminds me of JMFJ early rover years. He’s got to settle down a bit and just keep racking up minutes.
Birdman
TEAM LGK
It appears that Englund has reached Modry levels of hate on this board.
For those that don’t remember, everybody crapped on Modry for no apparent reason other than he didn’t play “teh sexy”‘ style of hockey that you all crave. He was a steady 2nd/3rd pairing defensemen that just got it done. That’s Englund for us.
In this day and age, you need a Physical presence on the 3rd pairing that doesn’t break the bank, and that’s him. He kills penalties, hits people, and makes $1M per season to play 10-12 minutes per night. I don’t see why everyone wants him out of here so quickly.
DryKing
Power Forward
Yeah he is a steal for the price and still had a lot of growth potential.
I'd compare him more to O'Donnell who was decent and tough during his first several years with the Kings and later developed into a solid stay at home defensemen. When OD rejoined the Kings in 08/09 he was twice the player he was during his first stint with the Kings, though his stats, with the exception of penalty minutes, were virtually the same.
The common denominator between Modry and O'Donnell is that key driver for improvement was experience. Englund will be much the same.
DarkLeftHand
Super Star
Not only do I agree with your points above, but to reiterate my previously stated points about the guy.. his presence is definitely a deterrent. You only need to go back several games to that contest against the oilers, to see the effect his presence has on the opposition. And that’s WITH Corey Perry in their lineup. If you were to replace Englund with Moverare, guys like Hyman, Kane, and Perry would be running our defenders on the forecheck every single chance they got
DarkLeftHand
Super Star
If you want to boil it down to that, then yes, I’d rather have Englund issuing the payback on a guy like Kane, rather than Kempe having to stick his nose in there. If no one steps up when it happens, it’ll continue all game until our defense is totally shell shocked, or worse, someone gets hurt from being run into the boards.
To go a step further, I would PROACTIVELY ask a guy like Englund to go after their worst agitators from the initial drop of the puck. Take a guy like Hyman or Kane right out of the game with 5 and 10 from the get go, or just harangue him the entire game. When the team sees that, they will all follow his lead, and guys like Kempe, Danault, Roy will just simply play meaner as a result. This is precisely how our teams won those cups in ‘12 and ‘14. Pack of wolves.
I wouldn't say it's how they won, but it was a necessary component. It helped that the 12 team dictated so much play and had leads. The 14 team could beat teams in any way they needed to. Both teams had it in the toolbox though.
The biggest thing is to get Kempe, Fiala and PLD to the point where they aren't taking the stupid stick fouls. If they get into a rough and rough with Drai ok, but slashing a bjustadt is a losing strategy 200 feet from your net and those guys need to trust deferring to someone else
My comment was nothing about hate on Englund it was simple reality. He only plays limited minutes every night and if Roy goes you need to improve the D on the left side since it would be DD, BC and JS on the right and that means Englund needs to go since Mikey and Gavi aren't going anywhere.
symbology
TEAM LGK
Yeah, was thinking of a young Jack as well.
VCRW
Classic player
Not even if it brings back a right shot, proven finisher forward to replace Arvy (if necessary)? Kopi and Juice need/deserve better than Laf at his current stage. I know I may be dreaming, but there is no one of that caliber in the organization right now.
santiclaws
I was in the pool!!
They have no one who can replace Roy. They trade Roy, they create a huge hole on the right side of the D. Spence is not ready to be a second-pairing D-man in the NHL playoffs, he's not even close to ready. And even if they did trade Roy, he's not going to bring a proven right shot finisher, unless that finisher is also going to be a UFA this summer. You're going to fill a hole by creating a bigger hole.
VCRW
Classic player
You know that many, if not all, of ICE24's posts are tongue-in-cheek. This whole dialogue is more about poking at each other rather than a serious trade proposal discussion. However, many media talking heads have been focusing on Roy as a potential target. Stranger things have happened.
Roy actually is Rob's best trade piece if he wants to make a move although I can't see it happening. But Kaliyev as a sweetener in any deal would make me happy.
Kempe and Moore are the other steals cap-wise. But I certainly don't advocate trading either of those guys this year or next.
ICE24
Super Star
In the last few games, I believe Laf has stepped up his game. He is hitting, causing turnovers and just playing better overall. He is a rookie with a high ceiling. He only gets better and by the end of the season, he will be a different player. As we know Defense is so key in the playoffs, I just don't think they can afford to move one and take a step back. Laffy's is so close, I don't believe they need a proven shot at this point. We will see.
Bill Hicks
LGK Agitator
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